Beauty is not subjective! (Yeah, it's Eloy's fat face again)

[kan_eco]

I'm an endangered species - a white cisgendered heterosexual male raised on works of classics in painting, literature and music.
I tried to convince myself that Eloy's appearance was tolerable. But no, it isn't. It's a vile repulsive creature that has eaten up all the preternatural supplies. The muzzle doesn't fit in the aisles at all.

Beauty is not subjective.
There have been many scientific papers in physiology and maths proving the objectivity of beauty, particularly facial features.

What can the developers do with a patch to make all players happy:
- Add a slider to the settings that allows you to change the width of Eloy's face. The middle position as it is now , you can make it narrower(!) or wider.
- Tick to enable/disable freckles and facial hair.
* Mod?!

Everything in the game is fine except for this. I really like this series a lot. I've been waiting for part 2 to come out as a major event in the gaming industry. But it disgusts me to play as a fat woman.
Please give players a choice.

Sony Interactive Entertainment, has Japan completely lost its sense of beauty?

[jano]

Game was made by team from Amsterdam, as I remember. Besides, I'v never seen such beautyful enviroment/nature in any other game (Other than the fact that I don't like other aspects in this game). This could have been such a great game if not for the propaganda. Just like with the rtx 3070, it could have been such a good card if they had given it 16gb)

[Hydra_360ci]

If you look at the model she was scanned from... it does look like her.. but something didn't translate right. I used to think it was that the capture devices was skewed below her chin and they didn't fix it... but now I think it's just that the game engine doesn't do facial muscles and/or face bone structure correctly.. and her face just look like a marshmellow blob when it's in movement. Expressions look messed up,... too animated.

Just google the name Hannah Hoekstra

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/03/this-is-aloys-real-life-face-model-from-horizon-zero-dawn-and-horizon-forbidden-west

[kan_eco]

Originally posted by jano:

Game was made by team from Amsterdam, as I remember. Besides, I'v never seen such beautyful enviroment/nature in any other game (Other than the fact that I don't like other aspects in this game). This could have been such a great game if not for the propaganda. Just like with the rtx 3070, it could have been such a good card if they had given it 16gb)

Totally agree with you!
I didn't know about Amsterdam, but the publisher is Sony. Their reputation, their masterpiece.

[kan_eco]

Originally posted by Hydra_360ci:

If you look at the model she was scanned from... it does look like her.. but something didn't translate right. I used to think it was that the capture devices was skewed below her chin and they didn't fix it... but now I think it's just that the game engine doesn't do facial muscles and/or face bone structure correctly.. and her face just look like a marshmellow blob when it's in movement. Expressions look messed up,... too animated.

Just google the name Hannah Hoekstra

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/03/this-is-aloys-real-life-face-model-from-horizon-zero-dawn-and-horizon-forbidden-west

Hannah is a good actress and she has different looks.
Here's one https://mavink.com/explore/Hemel-Hannah-Hoeskstra
Very different.
Again, Eloy's face in the first part was quite pretty and in harmony with her body and lifestyle. Pure agenda.

I understand that everyone can have their own tastes and opinions, but the slide of visual art into the mediocre squalor of the everyday is saddening. Alcoholics and drug addicts look about the same. Natural? Yes. Beautiful? No.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by kan_eco:

I'm an endangered species - a white cisgendered heterosexual male raised on works of classics in painting, literature and music.
I tried to convince myself that Eloy's appearance was tolerable. But no, it isn't. It's a vile repulsive creature that has eaten up all the preternatural supplies. The muzzle doesn't fit in the aisles at all.

blocked.

[Mike Hawthorne]

The Model looks great, but it doesn't translate somehow.

I've done a lot of 3D textures based on photo images for my short videos. If I knew how to access the image file in my game and the resolution and file type, it would be fun to try and improve just the texture.

If I could swap my file for her face back and forth, it would be pretty simple to change if it works anything like the things I do. It may not be as simple as replacing a graphic file on the character textures files.

I'm a graphic artist, and Illustrator, 3D animation I only do for fun.

[Lekaneee]

Lame post.... full of B. S., go S. A. D.

[longjohn119]

Originally posted by kan_eco:

I'm an endangered species - a white cisgendered heterosexual male raised on works of classics in painting, literature and music.
I tried to convince myself that Eloy's appearance was tolerable. But no, it isn't. It's a vile repulsive creature that has eaten up all the preternatural supplies. The muzzle doesn't fit in the aisles at all.

Beauty is not subjective.
There have been many scientific papers in physiology and maths proving the objectivity of beauty, particularly facial features.

What can the developers do with a patch to make all players happy:
- Add a slider to the settings that allows you to change the width of Eloy's face. The middle position as it is now , you can make it narrower(!) or wider.
- Tick to enable/disable freckles and facial hair.
* Mod?!

Everything in the game is fine except for this. I really like this series a lot. I've been waiting for part 2 to come out as a major event in the gaming industry. But it disgusts me to play as a fat woman.
Please give players a choice.

Sony Interactive Entertainment, has Japan completely lost its sense of beauty?

Please .... Aphrodite and Mona Lisa are some of the homeliest women I have ever seen ...... Ditto for most of the paintings of the royalty of Europe many of whom were inbred and it shows ....

[Literal Lemon]

bait used to be believable

[longjohn119]

Originally posted by Hydra_360ci:

If you look at the model she was scanned from... it does look like her.. but something didn't translate right. I used to think it was that the capture devices was skewed below her chin and they didn't fix it... but now I think it's just that the game engine doesn't do facial muscles and/or face bone structure correctly.. and her face just look like a marshmellow blob when it's in movement. Expressions look messed up,... too animated.

Just google the name Hannah Hoekstra

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/03/this-is-aloys-real-life-face-model-from-horizon-zero-dawn-and-horizon-forbidden-west

Motion Capture was done with the voice actress Ashly Burch not the person they simply licensed the face from. Also I didn't see Hannah Hoekstra credited in the second game like in the first so that might explain some of the slight changes. Also she was scanned way back in 2017 and those files might not have translated to the new game engine as well since there is a pretty big difference in the triangle count in the meshes

[kan_eco]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by kan_eco:

I'm an endangered species - a white cisgendered heterosexual male raised on works of classics in painting, literature and music.
I tried to convince myself that Eloy's appearance was tolerable. But no, it isn't. It's a vile repulsive creature that has eaten up all the preternatural supplies. The muzzle doesn't fit in the aisles at all.

blocked.

your entitlement, I don't care =)

[kan_eco]

Originally posted by Mike Hawthorne:

The Model looks great, but it doesn't translate somehow.

I've done a lot of 3D textures based on photo images for my short videos. If I knew how to access the image file in my game and the resolution and file type, it would be fun to try and improve just the texture.

If I could swap my file for her face back and forth, it would be pretty simple to change if it works anything like the things I do. It may not be as simple as replacing a graphic file on the character textures files.

I'm a graphic artist, and Illustrator, 3D animation I only do for fun.

Oh, that would be great!

Tell me please, and as a 3D artist, what do you think about the proportions between the face and the body? And the proportions of the face itself.

[kan_eco]

Originally posted by Lekaneee:

Lame post.... full of B. S., go S. A. D.

What are B.S. and S.A.D.?
Sorry, but there are a whole bunch of abbreviations in the world. And yes, I'm pretty old)
If the post sucks - why are you wasting your time reading and responding?

[kan_eco]

Originally posted by russell_john:

Originally posted by kan_eco:

I'm an endangered species - a white cisgendered heterosexual male raised on works of classics in painting, literature and music.
I tried to convince myself that Eloy's appearance was tolerable. But no, it isn't. It's a vile repulsive creature that has eaten up all the preternatural supplies. The muzzle doesn't fit in the aisles at all.

Beauty is not subjective.
There have been many scientific papers in physiology and maths proving the objectivity of beauty, particularly facial features.

What can the developers do with a patch to make all players happy:
- Add a slider to the settings that allows you to change the width of Eloy's face. The middle position as it is now , you can make it narrower(!) or wider.
- Tick to enable/disable freckles and facial hair.
* Mod?!

Everything in the game is fine except for this. I really like this series a lot. I've been waiting for part 2 to come out as a major event in the gaming industry. But it disgusts me to play as a fat woman.
Please give players a choice.

Sony Interactive Entertainment, has Japan completely lost its sense of beauty?

Please .... Aphrodite and Mona Lisa are some of the homeliest women I have ever seen ...... Ditto for most of the paintings of the royalty of Europe many of whom were inbred and it shows ....

Inbreeding is 100% evil in any century.
Aphrodite and Mona Lisa are fictional characters.
What do you have to say about Princess Diana? =)
She wasn't homely and she was beautiful quite.

[kan_eco]

Originally posted by Literal Lemon:

bait used to be believable

I'm not sure what you mean, but if it's about the objectivity of beauty, I can throw in links to scholarly articles if you'd want to.