Horizon 3 (Spoilers inside)

[NJ]

Hi All,

Just finished the game both Horizon West and burning shores and this is a really awesome game. Apart from a few performance issues this game is really good. Love the story, character, gameplay etc.

Without giving much away for those who have not played or finished the game, there is a bigger threat coming.

My suggestion is in Horizon 3 we get to travel to different continents like Africa, Asia, North and South America and Europe to build or retrieve parts or maybe assist in defeating the Nem***. Of course when going to different continents you get a loading screen. If Horizon 3 is going to be the final game it has to end and be epic.

OR Nem** has already reached earth and split upon entry and spread to different continents and you have to travel to the different continent to destroy and eliminate the threat.

What are your thoughts and what would you like to see in Horizon 3?

[Alcator]

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Personally, I think the only place away from North America we might travel to would be the Great Delta of the Quen

Secondly, I think it's going to be somewhat similar to Mass Effect 3 in terms of "how to defeat Nemesis" -- while we may spend a significant amount of time travelling around and picking up 'old tech', I think it will ultimately be about Aloy somehow convincing Nemesis not to harm Earth. After all - technically speaking, EARTH didn't do anything to Nemesis, Nemesis wanted to destroy the Zeniths for what those people did to it, so this might theoretically work.

I can even imagine the finale being away from Earth -- like Aloy and Sylens* flying to Odyssey and then flying towards Nemesis (with the old tech being needed to power up the ship), so that whatever confrontation happens, it takes place away from Earth, shielding the inhabitants and biosphere from damage. Aloy in space, even if only for the last chapter, might definitely be an epic conclusion.

And, my last prediction is that prior to the finale, Aloy will 'plant a seed' of herself in Eleuthia in some way, shape or form, and she will sacrifice herself to stop Nemesis (perhaps trading her life for the lives of everyone on Earth?), and then, in a post credit scene, we will see a little baby girl being born.

[ggsnake]

I think a major part of the game would be traveling around and convincing as many tribes as possible to help out vs Nemesis (they already teased that in the second part after all). Traveling to other continents would be very much appreciated, North America is all fine and nice, but it got a little bit stale after two games. The space idea sounds cool, too, however the majority of the game should take place on Earth.

[Flybye]

I would like to see a prequel. The time during the Faro Plague. Zero hope. The only thing that matters is getting the resources and personal to Zero Dawn.

[NJ]

Also what I would like to see is better combat from the machines. As we know all machines are based from dinosaur.

So let's say you are walking or running outside camp and you suddenly get ambushed or surrounded by 4 to 5 Raptors kind of machines. Now you have to fight and you your skills to either defeat all of them or run away like using smoke bombs.

And I want to see more advanced machines like they cannot see and attracted to sound but is more deadlier.

[NJ]

Originally posted by ggsnake:

I think a major part of the game would be traveling around and convincing as many tribes as possible to help out vs Nemesis (they already teased that in the second part after all). Traveling to other continents would be very much appreciated, North America is all fine and nice, but it got a little bit stale after two games. The space idea sounds cool, too, however the majority of the game should take place on Earth.

I agree. Also when travelling around the world to convince people to join and tell them about the threat, you have to help them first.

Another thing is Nem*** has reached earth already and have developers robots like humans (with 2 hands and legs) and are becoming deadlier. So now you are playing terminator kind of style game. And the robots are controlling the machines and most of the time travel and fight together. So now Horizon is on a different level.

And you have to go to every cauldron if it is the continent to learn about them.

[Dale]

I'm told that in 2011, the gaming industry made more $$$ than the movie industry. Reason? when you see the hundreds of credits roll - it's obvious it takes MEGABUCK$ to make the game. It positively can NOT be mediocre! Must be A+. How's that possible? SOLUTION: hire the Hollywood Writer's Guild to create fabulously interesting ADULT-immersive stories...then turn it over to the geeks to implement. They did that.

Any wonder why Skyrim and Fallout-4 are the most popular games in the galaxy? NEXUS Mod website: Skyrim = 6.7 BILL_yun downloads. Fallout-4 = 1.6 BILL_yun downloads. Summary: with console commands and mods, this allows players to PLAY THE GAME THEIR WAY - not by the dictates of the developers. (Duhhh). Not my "opinion".

Investors who want an ROI need to hammer that FACT into the heads of the game creators.

I've played Skyrim 2,500 hours. Fallout-4 3,360+ hours. Why did I play it 22 times DIFFERENTLY? HINT: the game endings depend on MY decisions (good or bad).

Post-Apocalyptic games like Fallout & Horizon are closely related to REAL_HISTORY scenarios. Since [most] everyone knows that nuclear war is certainly MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) - WW3 will be fought with BIO-WEAPONS where the aggressors have the antidote (for themselves) before releasing it on their enemies (who can't see or identify the enemy). Horizon ZD brilliantly exposes the disgusting side of human nature of avarice & greed ubiquitously prevalent in the world today (Faro). OH! did it get out-of-hand? Super-duhhh (roll eyeballs).

Yes, we all like challenges in the game - however with the age of non-woke gamers being 33-35 (and not zit-nose kids that have to shoot-every-thing that moves) - a good thoughtful STORY with various alternatives would be good.
I love being the one who out-smarts the bad guy to hang himself....not just "shoot-em-up"

I just LOVE being able to FLY & explore the fabulous graphics in this game...including being able to GLIDE down from great heights. It would be NICE to have an underwater weapon.

[phadin]

Pretty sure they intend Horizon 3 to take place in the Savage East... basicaly the lands east of the Nora Sacred Lands and on towards the east coast of America. It is hard for them to include stuff outside America if they want to include Faro and Zero Dawn related facilities (aside from the cauldrons). Zero Dawn in particular couldn't have facilities too far from where Gaia was built because the Faro Plague would have overrun them long before Gaia was finished. Even if the Quen had more modern focuses, their data would ahve ended about a eight months to a year before the end of Enduring Victory, because of how much closer they were to the epicenter of the Faro Plague (Australia). By the time the machines are invading America, most other countries are already gone. Elisabet would have realized this and made sure the Zero Dawn working facilities were set up in America, where the Faro Plague would arrive last, so they had the most working time without having to worry about the machines.

Lets also remember they don't have a good method of fast travel. While in game you can hop around, realistically it would take Aloy days or weeks to travel between the various cities she is visiting. Traveling overseas would be a months long journey. If they do set it overseas, the entire game would need to be there. There is no way they'd be able to go back and forth to various continents repeatedly in the limited time they have before the threat's arrival.


As for other games I'd like to see in the Horizon universe... something I think would be interesting would be a Civilization style 4X game. Literally managing a tribe or civilization as it expands and exploits resources (machines) and learns new technology as they try to achieve some kind of various win objectives (dominate the land, wipe out enemies, negotiate peace, achieve some scientific discovery....) Not an action or RPG like what we have now, this would be a side-game clearly. Probably set after Aloy sets everything right so the machines themselves are not a threat but rather a resource or tool to be used for growth or conquest.

[Alcator]

Originally posted by phadin:

Pretty sure they intend Horizon 3 to take place in the Savage East... basicaly the lands east of the Nora Sacred Lands and on towards the east coast of America. It is hard for them to include stuff outside America if they want to include Faro and Zero Dawn related facilities (aside from the cauldrons).
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Elisabet would have realized this and made sure the Zero Dawn working facilities were set up in America, where the Faro Plague would arrive last, so they had the most working time without having to worry about the machines.

There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here.

Hephaestus built Eleuthia Cradles all around the world, which is why humans are everywhere, not just in the USA. PROJECT ZERO DAWN Staging Area was in Bryce, Utah ("Sunfall"), but 'harvest initiatives' were executed all around the world, collecting human and animal zygotes and plant seeds from everywhere. Whether those were stored locally and later discovered by Hephaestus, or whether they were moved to the US and Hephaestus or some machine later relocated them to where they were needed -- that's not fully explained.

The bottom line is, the world is littered with Hephaestus Cauldrons and Eleuthia Cradles, as well as Minerva Transmission Towers; there are also Regional Control Centers (never utilized), and logically speaking, there should be 'hidden' additional facilities (or sensors) for monitoring the environment, so that Aether, Demeter and Poseidon could control their machines (made by Hephaestus) to perform their tasks.

[Faster With Feeling]

Originally posted by Alcator:

============= WARNING, SPOILERS FOR FORBIDDEN WEST! ==============

Personally, I think the only place away from North America we might travel to would be the Great Delta of the Quen

Secondly, I think it's going to be somewhat similar to Mass Effect 3 in terms of "how to defeat Nemesis" -- while we may spend a significant amount of time travelling around and picking up 'old tech', I think it will ultimately be about Aloy somehow convincing Nemesis not to harm Earth. After all - technically speaking, EARTH didn't do anything to Nemesis, Nemesis wanted to destroy the Zeniths for what those people did to it, so this might theoretically work.

I can even imagine the finale being away from Earth -- like Aloy and Sylens* flying to Odyssey and then flying towards Nemesis (with the old tech being needed to power up the ship), so that whatever confrontation happens, it takes place away from Earth, shielding the inhabitants and biosphere from damage. Aloy in space, even if only for the last chapter, might definitely be an epic conclusion.

And, my last prediction is that prior to the finale, Aloy will 'plant a seed' of herself in Eleuthia in some way, shape or form, and she will sacrifice herself to stop Nemesis (perhaps trading her life for the lives of everyone on Earth?), and then, in a post credit scene, we will see a little baby girl being born.

I like your ideas very much especially that ending

[NJ]

Originally posted by phadin:

Lets also remember they don't have a good method of fast travel. While in game you can hop around, realistically it would take Aloy days or weeks to travel between the various cities she is visiting. Traveling overseas would be a months long journey. If they do set it overseas, the entire game would need to be there. There is no way they'd be able to go back and forth to various continents repeatedly in the limited time they have before the threat's arrival.

To travel overseas you do NOT need a massive map. All you need is to scale down tremendously the continents. Just like you fast travel you have a loading screen behinds the scenes loads the map. So same thing here with different continents.

Just like the map you have in Horizon dawn and Horizon forbidden west can be a perfect size of the continents. This is not Microsoft flight simulator and even then not sure how accurate the maps are.


As mentioned earlier, either Nemesis has already hit and reach earth and yes spreads round the world upon entry. Or it is almost here then half way in Horizon 3 it hits earth.