Can someone please explain the ending? SPOILERS, obviously

[andyroo]

So why was Celebrimbor bound to Talion by the Black Hand? Why did Celebrimbor choose him? What happened to the One Ring? The last we saw of it was in the final vision where Celebrimbor loses it to Sauron. Before that scene, I thought the Black Hand and Sauron bound Celebrimbor to Talion so that these visions could lead to the location of the One Ring, and thus Sauron could return to power.

[andyroo]

To add, why did the Black Hand taking back Celebrimbor result in him gaining Sauron's armor? I assume that was because ultimately the Black Hand would fully become Sauron if they were successful, but I know little about LOTR to be honest and not sure how it all works.

[Betelgeuse]

lol .. this will be another good one ^^

[TheOverWhelming]

The black hand was sacrificing people, including talion his wife and his son
Then Celebrimbor 'chose him' to be his 'physical world' proxybitch
The One Ring was never there, dunno where it is at this time in the normal lore

[andyroo]

Originally posted by TheOverWhelming:

The black hand was sacrificing people, including talion his wife and his son
Then Celebrimbor 'chose him' to be his 'physical world' proxybitch
The One Ring was never there, dunno where it is at this time in the normal lore

It is mentioned in the story that the Black Hand's blood sacrifice is what has cursed Talion, not sure if that means that is why he cannot die or that the sacrifice bound him to the wraith and prevents him from dying.

[Glymner]

Celebrimor says that sauron can take physical shape with either the ring or the ringmaker. The Black hand might be a vessel of sauron.

[andyroo]

Did the Black Hand have anything to do with Celebrimbor being bound to Talion?

[TheOverWhelming]

Originally posted by Rayz the Roof:

Originally posted by TheOverWhelming:

The black hand was sacrificing people, including talion his wife and his son
Then Celebrimbor 'chose him' to be his 'physical world' proxybitch
The One Ring was never there, dunno where it is at this time in the normal lore

It is mentioned in the story that the Black Hand's blood sacrifice is what has cursed Talion, not sure if that means that is why he cannot die or that the sacrifice bound him to the wraith and prevents him from dying.

Tbh, after the tower enlightens Talion it doesn't seem very true that it is why he cannot die. I always figured it was the Wraith Spirit bringing him back by using the Towers

[Ryu_Sheng]

Originally posted by TheOverWhelming:

The black hand was sacrificing people, including talion his wife and his son
Then Celebrimbor 'chose him' to be his 'physical world' proxybitch
The One Ring was never there, dunno where it is at this time in the normal lore

At this time it's with Bilbo in the shire, since this is set after the hobbit.

[andyroo]

Originally posted by TheOverWhelming:

Originally posted by Rayz the Roof:

It is mentioned in the story that the Black Hand's blood sacrifice is what has cursed Talion, not sure if that means that is why he cannot die or that the sacrifice bound him to the wraith and prevents him from dying.

Tbh, after the tower enlightens Talion it doesn't seem very true that it is why he cannot die. I always figured it was the Wraith Spirit bringing him back by using the Towers

I think I figured it out. The sacrifice at the beginning was needed to call forth Celebrimbor's spirit, and Sauron needed it in order to take form and be a bad guy and whatnot. However, Celebrimbor chose to bind himself to Talion and seek revenge on Sauron. This is why The Tower asks Celebrimbor to return to Sauron.

However, the game does an extremely poor job of conveying this and it is way too subtle. The only concrete evidence to support this is that after finding the five Talons, it is briefly mentioned by Celebrimbor that Sauron is weak and he cannot take form without the One Ring or the Ring-maker. So, that one line at the end of a large and intense battle basically is what revealed that Sauron needs the ring-maker. I wasn't really thinking of that at the time and focused on the "Sauron needs the One Ring" part.

[TheOverWhelming]

Figured as much.. didn't want to assume though. Thanks for clarifying

Originally posted by Rayz the Roof:

Did the Black Hand have anything to do with Celebrimbor being bound to Talion?

They 'sacrificed' him early on and Celebrimbor was like "oh man, this is a good host" and the rest is the game.

[TheOverWhelming]

Originally posted by Rayz the Roof:

I think I figured it out. The sacrifice at the beginning was needed to call forth Celebrimbor's spirit, and Sauron needed it in order to take form and be a bad guy and whatnot. However, Celebrimbor chose to bind himself to Talion and seek revenge on Sauron. This is why The Tower asks Celebrimbor to return to Sauron.

However, the game does an extremely poor job of conveying this and it is way too subtle. The only concrete evidence to support this is that after finding the five Talons, it is briefly mentioned by Celebrimbor that Sauron is weak and he cannot take form without the One Ring or the Ring-maker. So, that one line at the end of a large and intense battle basically is what revealed that Sauron needs the ring-maker. I wasn't really thinking of that at the time and focused on the "Sauron needs the One Ring" part.

I didn't even realize he needed the Ring Maker
I just figured I was getting all pissy at the Black Hand all game for sacrificing me and went to kill them... then I killed the black hand and suddenly Celebrimbor is all taken by a throat being cut and I then kill Sauron and.. want to make a new ring.

[Vincini]

celebrimbor said why mid-game. talion shared the same fate as celebrimbor did and also lost his family infront of his eyes which made them bound to each other, in like the first 6 minutes of the game the black hand clearly states that sauron wanted talion alive, suggesting sauron knew the ranger's circumstances would draw celebrimbor's attention.. The blood sacrifice keeps talion from entering the afterlife and is essentially a wraith. SPOILER ALERT...




Talion at the end faces the tower who tells him cele chose him. we can conclude at that point sauron was correct as cele understood the ranger's pain and would be a great weapon if kept alive. then at the end celebrimbor is taken from him and his neck slits open from that. This suggests that celebrimbor's power can keep talion in mortal form and prevent permanent death. So though it is loosely applied, we can conclude the story was pretty rushed and lacked a lot of those "ohhhhhh" moments.

[TheOverWhelming]

Well stated
I don't understand what happened after we killed Sauron, though

[andyroo]

Originally posted by Vincini:

celebrimbor said why mid-game. talion shared the same fate as celebrimbor did and also lost his family infront of his eyes which made them bound to each other, in like the first 6 minutes of the game the black hand clearly states that sauron wanted talion alive, suggesting sauron knew the ranger's circumstances would draw celebrimbor's attention.. The blood sacrifice keeps talion from entering the afterlife and is essentially a wraith. SPOILER ALERT...




Talion at the end faces the tower who tells him cele chose him. we can conclude at that point sauron was correct as cele understood the ranger's pain and would be a great weapon if kept alive. then at the end celebrimbor is taken from him and his neck slits open from that. This suggests that celebrimbor's power can keep talion in mortal form and prevent permanent death. So though it is loosely applied, we can conclude the story was pretty rushed and lacked a lot of those "ohhhhhh" moments. :UnhappyMask:

This... kind of makes sense. I still don't understand Sauron/the Black Hand's motives for binding the wraith to Talion though. It gains them nothing.

[Ryu_Sheng]

Originally posted by TheOverWhelming:

Well stated
I don't understand what happened after we killed Sauron, though

You didn't kill sauron