Uh, something.

[Zharthalus]

Sequel when?

[Seph]

Duudee....This is a setup for a sequel i believe

[Static]

I just finished the game (was out for 3 days) and I finished the duel with Saruon and was completely confused, I know allot about LOTR lore and story. But this had me stumped.. I had no idea what he meant by "time to make a new ring"

[Moffin Bovin]

i was confused too.

Though you don't kill Sauron, you kill the black hand. Though he does kill himself first... its complicated.

Im sure i heard Golem mention "those filthy Baggins' " so the time that this story takes place has to be after The hobbit and before The lord of the rings. So i doubt that Talion ends up crafing a new ring to rule them all and become Sauron.

I imagine its a setup for a sequal or DLC, but why Talion wants to make another ring i have NFI.

[James D. Compass]

Originally posted by MofineBovine:

i was confused too.

Though you don't kill Sauron, you kill the black hand. Though he does kill himself first... its complicated.

Im sure i heard Golem mention "those filthy Baggins' " so the time that this story takes place has to be after The hobbit and before The lord of the rings. So i doubt that Talion ends up crafing a new ring to rule them all and become Sauron.

I imagine its a setup for a sequal or DLC, but why Talion wants to make another ring i have NFI.

It settled in Middle-Earth story just before Lord of The Rings trilogy, as Gollum wanders near Mordor and later gets caught by Sauron's forces, and gives away those words "Shire, Baggins" to the Enemy under torture(we saw that in Fellowship of the Ring movie).
This one Black Hand was embodied Sauron himself, as mentioned by Celebrimbor near the end of the game. He mentioned that "after we kill him, Sauron won't be able to have back his body, and will be bound to exist as a Burning Eye on the top of Barad-Dur tower".
Later we see another Black Hand as an ambassador in the Return of the King, that's totally not the same guy.
About glowing in Talion's eyes you're probably right, that's a lead to DLC at least. And remember it's not Talion alone but Celebrimbor's spirit keeping long-dead Talion alive, and as we know Celebrimbor already possessed the Ring after he tricked Sauron, but Ring betrayed him, sliding off his finger. Knowing the attraction of the Ring to anyone who wears it for a long time, no wonder Celebrimbor wants this power to himself.

[Foshizo]

I didn't really get the ending. I'm a hardcore Tolkien fan, but I couldn't really understand it. The alternate-history part about Celebrimbor taking the One Ring for himself was neat (thank god they didn't pussify Sauron and have you kick his ass even with the Ring; Force Unleashed was really bad about making villains into total wimps), even if it didn't make sense canonically.

But the ending, apparently the Black Hand sacrificed himself to channel Sauron who didn't have the Ring and was then possessed by Celebrimbor but Celebrimbor lost before Talion stabbed Sauron who was actually the Black Hand but not really the Black Hand and now Talion's possessed either by Sauron or by Celebrimbor who's possessed by Sauron?

I'm confused.

[Crover]

Talion get posses by Celebrimbor because he has the same fate as Celebrimbor.
So i guess Black hand sacrafice himself to let Sauron who has no solid form become the same as Talion....which is ironic 'cause i though Black hand killed Talion and his family to summon Celebrimbor to his body but instead end up become Talion that get posses

In the end Black hand posses by both Sauron and Celebrimbor and their souls got all mix up.
The one ring may work on both Celebrimbor and Sauron because even Sauron was the one who forge it....but Celebrimbor too make finish touch on The one ring himself (or even add the invisible power to the ring to use it agains Sauron) so he can controll some of it's power but not become corrupt or obsess by The one ring.

By the time Celebrimbor comes back to Talion after The defeat of black Hand ,Celebrimbor might gain power from Sauron to make another ring that can be match with The one ring but also corupt Talion's mind in the process....but not to be the subject of Sauron but to the subject of Sauron power.

that's my idea.......also i made it to the elite rank on all Trails...so i got notthing to do....

BRING ME THE DLC!!!

[Kreddi]

The way i understood the end was:
The Black Hand was the vessel of Sauron, as Sauron can't turn into a physical being without either Celebrimbor or the ring. The Black Hand then cut his own throat too force Celebrimbor out into him allowing Sauron to turn physical. (I'm guessing that Tallion's throat was also cut because him and the Black Hand was bound together after the first sacrifice involving Tallion's family during the tutorial).
Celebrimbor how-ever still have some power left, allowing Tallion to banish Sauron by killing his vessel (The body of the Black Hand).
Then when Celebrimbor returns too Tallion, he might still have a fragment of Sauron or the Black Hand in his ghost-form, which explains why Tallion's eyes turn red (Very much an evil eye, i think it would have been blue eyes if it was Celebrimbor's power showing). I have no clue what the ring he is talking about refferences too, but i guess it's another ring for Sauron? Maybe?
This is all speculation ofcourse, i don't have any proof / information besides the cut-scene from the boss battle.

[JamesF0790]

Coming from the 360's ending on youtube here but any chance it was simply the blue-grey glow of Celbrimbor reflecting the glow from Mount Doom? Also, it would seem to be a bit of a stretch to go instantly evil after Talion just convinced him to stay and fight Sauron. I took the "Time for another ring" to mean that the Ringmaker was going to forge one more ring of power, in an attempt to fight against Sauron I assume.

[Big Boss]

Originally posted by Doctor Who?™:

Later we see another Black Hand as an ambassador in the Return of the King, that's totally not the same guy.

I think you may be confusing the Black Hand with the Mouth of Sauron.
As far as I know, all three antagonists (the Black Hand, the Tower and the Hammer) were created for this game, and are not canon.

[Breejay360]

Originally posted by Kreddi:

The way i understood the end was:
The Black Hand was the vessel of Sauron, as Sauron can't turn into a physical being without either Celebrimbor or the ring. The Black Hand then cut his own throat too force Celebrimbor out into him allowing Sauron to turn physical. (I'm guessing that Tallion's throat was also cut because him and the Black Hand was bound together after the first sacrifice involving Tallion's family during the tutorial).
Celebrimbor how-ever still have some power left, allowing Tallion to banish Sauron by killing his vessel (The body of the Black Hand).
Then when Celebrimbor returns too Tallion, he might still have a fragment of Sauron or the Black Hand in his ghost-form, which explains why Tallion's eyes turn red (Very much an evil eye, i think it would have been blue eyes if it was Celebrimbor's power showing). I have no clue what the ring he is talking about refferences too, but i guess it's another ring for Sauron? Maybe?
This is all speculation ofcourse, i don't have any proof / information besides the cut-scene from the boss battle.

LOL................well, apparently you and I interpreted it the exact same way, and as you say all speculation, but thats how I saw it too. :)

EDIT: Sauron would like another ring, but I highly doubt the devs will let him have it. ;)

[Oxyn Lee]

what if talion is corrupted, lied and got Calebrimbor to stay so his powers can still be reached. << isn't it a greater threat if Sauron gains Calebrimbor's powers.

[Galhamon]

I think he is using the statement as a way of saying that he will become a new and different power in the things at play, not that he is literally going to make a new ring.

[Daddy Shark]

No. Sauron is his own being. No one else can become Sauron.

It would be a cool idea to have Celebrimbor forge a new ring of power to magnify his own abilities. We'll never be able to craft a ring as powerful as The One Ring of Sauron's, though. Celebrimbor doesn't have the skills or power needed to make something that incredibly powerful.

Sauron is a Maiar. He was created before time existed. He was originally bonded to Aule the great Valar of craftsmanship. He was trained by the God of Craftsmanship himself and has practiced his art for countless eons. Celebrimbor is good, but he ain't that good.

[Breejay360]

Originally posted by omega.zero.lee:

what if talion is corrupted, lied and got Calebrimbor to stay so his powers can still be reached. << isn't it a greater threat if Sauron gains Calebrimbor's powers.

When Celebrimbor went into the...............Black Hand, a battle of wills was had. Celebrimbor has no hope of winning that, he's outclassed. Talion probably wouldn't think about crafting a ring as it is beyond his power ( but not Celebrimbors ). Talion is already corrupted by Celembribor. A new ring is just a bad bad idea. But then again, Celebrimbor comes from a long line of bad decision makers ( looking at his grand pappy here. ).

[Prince of Eros]

By "a new Ring" he meant "a new fanchise".

But seriously, its a setup for another game completely. I'm not so sure how well they could play with the idea of "a new ring" and keep the Tolkien fanbase happy though since the game already walks a fine line with the established mythos.

Personally, as much as I love the established world I am not against others adding to it. Besides, at this point nothing can ever become "canon" anyhow, so why stress?

So long as they don't get crazy with it (Talion becomes Sauron, Talion destroys Mordor, Frodo's journey was pointless, etc, etc) I myself look foreword to what other games they can weave.

Personally though, I would love the Nemesis system to be slapped into other IPs.