What's the difference between Orcs and Uruks(-Hai)?

[NutellaCrepe]

I understand that in many video reviews the speaker explains that we are killing Uruks and Orcs. I'm always imagining Uruks as the Uruk-Hais in the Two Towers, made by Saruman... it seems that those in the game are from Mordor. I understand that they are Sauron's Uruks, but how can you tell the difference between his Orcs and his Uruks?

[Coookie]

I haven't paid any attention to this watching the movies; but from my understanding they were stronger, specially trained orcs or something like that. I don't know

[ChaosSound]

Basically, the Uruk-hai were faster, smarter, stronger, and larger than orcs (though they were still shorter than men.) And while orcs will generally refuse to travel during the day, and would be severely weakened if they had too, the Uruk-hai could do this with few problems.

The uruks were first seen hundreds of years before the War of the Ring. They helped Sauron destroy Osgiliath in the year 2475 of the Third Age. However, the Uruk-hai of Isengard were generally seen as a slightly improved version of the Mordor uruks.

It’s not known how the uruks came to be - whether they were orcs given mannish qualities, or men corrupted with orcish qualities, or if they were a hybridization of men and orcs.

[Kрис]

Uruks are a more advanced breed of Orcs.

[NutellaCrepe]

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Basically, the Uruk-hai were faster, smarter, stronger, and larger than orcs (though they were still shorter than men.) And while orcs will generally refuse to travel during the day, and would be severely weakened if they had too, the Uruk-hai could do this with few problems.

The uruks were first seen hundreds of years before the War of the Ring. They helped Sauron destroy Osgiliath in the year 2475 of the Third Age. However, the Uruk-hai of Isengard were generally seen as a slightly improved version of the Mordor uruks.

It’s not known how the uruks came to be - whether they were orcs given mannish qualities, or men corrupted with orcish qualities, or if they were a hybridization of men and orcs.

Thanks, and so, how would you tell the difference in game as to what you are killing exactly? Are most of th enemies Uruks then?

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Basically, the Uruk-hai were faster, smarter, stronger, and larger than orcs (though they were still shorter than men.) And while orcs will generally refuse to travel during the day, and would be severely weakened if they had too, the Uruk-hai could do this with few problems.

The uruks were first seen hundreds of years before the War of the Ring. They helped Sauron destroy Osgiliath in the year 2475 of the Third Age. However, the Uruk-hai of Isengard were generally seen as a slightly improved version of the Mordor uruks.

It’s not known how the uruks came to be - whether they were orcs given mannish qualities, or men corrupted with orcish qualities, or if they were a hybridization of men and orcs.

Thanks, and so, how would you tell the difference in game as to what you are killing exactly? Are most of th enemies Uruks then?

I'm not sure how you're going to know in game, but generally uruks are slightly larger in stature than normal orcs and have more of a reddish/brownish coloring compared to the greenish yellow skins of standard orcs.

[Feebs]

Were pretty much fighting Orcs here. Uruk is Black Speech for Orc so it's sort of common for Orcs to call themselves Uruk. We're not fighting Uruk-hai or any special breed of orcs.

Just Orcs who are also called Uruks.

[Shiki]

in the books , sauron interbreed orcs with humans, saruman improved them.

[Atermi]

Uruk = Orc on Black Speech of Mordor (originating from Angband and Utumno).

Black Uruk = advanced orcs which were originally led by Witch King when he was still human in his wars with Arnor.

Uruk-Hai = breed of orcs mixed with humans. They were not invented by Saruman, they originate from the beginning of the Third Age and they were bred by Sauron in Mordor.
They just formed the main force of Saruman's army. Unlike in the movie, they weren't even the majority of Saruman's army, which numbered about 6000 orcs, 3000 men and 1500 Uruk-Hai.

[SuddenStrike24]

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[BeanyUndead]

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Maybe you should :)

[BeanyUndead]

The Uruk-hai, described as very large black orcs of great strength, first appeared from Mordor about the year 2475 of the Third Age, when they briefly took Ithilien and the city of Osgiliath. These original Uruks were of Sauron's breeding, but Saruman bred his own. Saruman's are shown to have resistance to sunlight and an upright stature, though whether or not these features are unique to his Uruks is open to question. All Uruks were larger and stronger than other breeds of orc and consequently looked down upon and often bullied them.

In The Two Towers, Aragorn observes that the fallen Uruk-hai at Amon Hen had different gear than he had seen before: swords and bows like those of men, and shields and helmets set with the white hand and S-rune of Saruman.Treebeard speculates that Saruman had crossbred Orcs and Men.These orcs, who named themselves "the fighting Uruk-hai", made up a large part of Saruman's army, together with the Dunlendings and other human enemies of Rohan. They were faster, stronger, and larger than normal orcs, and could travel during the day without being weakened, although they still did not like it. Saruman fed them with human flesh. Saruman's Uruk-hai fought against the Rohirrim at the Battles of the Fords of Isen, at the first of which King Théoden's son Théodred was killed, and at the Battle of the Hornburg, where the vast majority of the Uruks were defeated and destroyed.

The chapter "The Uruk-hai" details some differences among the orcs. The orc party included orcs from Mordor led by Grishnákh, Saruman's "fighting Uruk-hai" from Isengard led by Uglúk, and "northerners", orcs from Moria. It was the dead Uruks from Isengard whom Aragorn found remarkable.

The Uruk-hai of Isengard were the tallest of these orcs, and had large hands and thick, straight legs, while the orcs of Mordor are described as bow-legged. Although the Isengarders still did not like the light of the sun, they could withstand it, unlike other orcs. The orcs of Mordor were all long-armed and crook-legged, not as tall as the Isengarders but larger and more powerful than the orcs from Moria. The orcs of Moria in turn could see better in the dark than the Isengarders. Grishnákh from Mordor is described as very broad but shorter than Uglúk. In The Return of the King, the orcs Shagrat and Gorbag are identified as Uruk-hai of Mordor and are described in terms similar to Grishnákh and his troops.

The Lord of the Rings describes several differences in the equipment and heraldry of Uruks and other orcs. Uruks and other orcs in the service of Barad-dûr used the symbol of the red Eye of Sauron. The orcs of Mordor referred to Sauron as the Great Eye, and the Red Eye was painted on their shields. In contrast, Aragorn comments that the Uruk-hai of Saruman were not equipped in the manner of other orcs at all: instead of curved scimitars, they used short broad-bladed swords; and they wore iron helms marked with the Elf-rune Certh which had the value of "S". It was clear the "S" stood for Saruman, considering Sauron's general desire not to have his name written or spoken. Saruman's Uruks used black shields emblazoned with a white hand, a symbol of Saruman.

The book speculates that various hybrids of Orcs and Men, possibly including the Uruk-hai, are under Saruman's command, including in the Shire. Some of these called "half-orcs" in The Two Towers, were sallow-skinned, squint-eyed and as tall as men. Merry describes them as "horrible: man-high, but with goblin-faces", thus implicitly contrasting them with Orcs and Saruman's Uruk-hai. An account of the first Battle of the Fords of Isen in Unfinished Tales apparently treats Uruk-hai and "orc-men" separately.

Taken directly from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruk-hai#Literature

It's quite good. Hope it helps.

[Mikoto]

and this topic single handedly made me be very VERY glad that i know nothing about lotr and only signed up to kill orcs...

[Steel*Faith]

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Uruk = Orc on Black Speech of Mordor (originating from Angband and Utumno).

Black Uruk = advanced orcs which were originally led by Witch King when he was still human in his wars with Arnor.

Uruk-Hai = breed of orcs mixed with humans. They were not invented by Saruman, they originate from the beginning of the Third Age and they were bred by Sauron in Mordor.
They just formed the main force of Saruman's army. Unlike in the movie, they weren't even the majority of Saruman's army, which numbered about 6000 orcs, 3000 men and 1500 Uruk-Hai.

Not true at all.

Saruman bred his own unique race of Uruk-Hai, which came from goblin-men and Mordor orc which were sent to him. They were a superior warrior race of Uruk, and were physically perfected, unlike the crook-limbed Mordor orcs. In fact, they were the only Uruk which displayed courage and discipline. Tolkien describes, In "The Two Towers", the Uruk-Hai who captured Merry and Pippin refused to run away, even when overwhelmed by Rohan riders and faced with annihilation, and fought to the last Uruk in a valiant last stand atop the hill they camped on; whereas the Mordor orcs ran like cowards, which is common trait of normal orcs when they do not have the advantage of greater numbers, and are fearful of death.

Even overtaken by great hunger and fatigue, the Uruk-Hai would not eat Merry and Pippin - which is saying A LOT. Whereas the Mordor orcs were feral at that point, and couldn't resist trying to take them and devour them; which lead to the Uruk-hai slaughtering many of them and devouring them instead.

Uruk-Hai were entirely loyal and fanatical Uruk soldiers who served Saruman, and followed his orders blindly. Which is also unlike Mordor orcs, who were treacherous and unruly, and required fear and brutality, by Sauron and his Dark Lieutenants, to keep in line (which is seen in this game I believe).

[BeanyUndead]

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The Uruk-hai, described as very large black orcs of great strength, first appeared from Mordor about the year 2475 of the Third Age, when they briefly took Ithilien and the city of Osgiliath. These original Uruks were of Sauron's breeding, but Saruman bred his own. Saruman's are shown to have resistance to sunlight and an upright stature, though whether or not these features are unique to his Uruks is open to question. All Uruks were larger and stronger than other breeds of orc and consequently looked down upon and often bullied them.

In The Two Towers, Aragorn observes that the fallen Uruk-hai at Amon Hen had different gear than he had seen before: swords and bows like those of men, and shields and helmets set with the white hand and S-rune of Saruman.Treebeard speculates that Saruman had crossbred Orcs and Men.These orcs, who named themselves "the fighting Uruk-hai", made up a large part of Saruman's army, together with the Dunlendings and other human enemies of Rohan. They were faster, stronger, and larger than normal orcs, and could travel during the day without being weakened, although they still did not like it. Saruman fed them with human flesh. Saruman's Uruk-hai fought against the Rohirrim at the Battles of the Fords of Isen, at the first of which King Théoden's son Théodred was killed, and at the Battle of the Hornburg, where the vast majority of the Uruks were defeated and destroyed.

The chapter "The Uruk-hai" details some differences among the orcs. The orc party included orcs from Mordor led by Grishnákh, Saruman's "fighting Uruk-hai" from Isengard led by Uglúk, and "northerners", orcs from Moria. It was the dead Uruks from Isengard whom Aragorn found remarkable.

The Uruk-hai of Isengard were the tallest of these orcs, and had large hands and thick, straight legs, while the orcs of Mordor are described as bow-legged. Although the Isengarders still did not like the light of the sun, they could withstand it, unlike other orcs. The orcs of Mordor were all long-armed and crook-legged, not as tall as the Isengarders but larger and more powerful than the orcs from Moria. The orcs of Moria in turn could see better in the dark than the Isengarders. Grishnákh from Mordor is described as very broad but shorter than Uglúk. In The Return of the King, the orcs Shagrat and Gorbag are identified as Uruk-hai of Mordor and are described in terms similar to Grishnákh and his troops.

The Lord of the Rings describes several differences in the equipment and heraldry of Uruks and other orcs. Uruks and other orcs in the service of Barad-dûr used the symbol of the red Eye of Sauron. The orcs of Mordor referred to Sauron as the Great Eye, and the Red Eye was painted on their shields. In contrast, Aragorn comments that the Uruk-hai of Saruman were not equipped in the manner of other orcs at all: instead of curved scimitars, they used short broad-bladed swords; and they wore iron helms marked with the Elf-rune Certh which had the value of "S". It was clear the "S" stood for Saruman, considering Sauron's general desire not to have his name written or spoken. Saruman's Uruks used black shields emblazoned with a white hand, a symbol of Saruman.

The book speculates that various hybrids of Orcs and Men, possibly including the Uruk-hai, are under Saruman's command, including in the Shire. Some of these called "half-orcs" in The Two Towers, were sallow-skinned, squint-eyed and as tall as men. Merry describes them as "horrible: man-high, but with goblin-faces", thus implicitly contrasting them with Orcs and Saruman's Uruk-hai. An account of the first Battle of the Fords of Isen in Unfinished Tales apparently treats Uruk-hai and "orc-men" separately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iixlku24Fkk&index=113&list=PLrwnbK575LBxP6jDA4VIF9fBWFKA4rh-E

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruk-hai#Literature

Fair cop. Fixed now.

[Atermi]

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Atermi lähetti viestin:

Uruk = Orc on Black Speech of Mordor (originating from Angband and Utumno).

Black Uruk = advanced orcs which were originally led by Witch King when he was still human in his wars with Arnor.

Uruk-Hai = breed of orcs mixed with humans. They were not invented by Saruman, they originate from the beginning of the Third Age and they were bred by Sauron in Mordor.
They just formed the main force of Saruman's army. Unlike in the movie, they weren't even the majority of Saruman's army, which numbered about 6000 orcs, 3000 men and 1500 Uruk-Hai.

Not true at all.

Saruman bred his own unique race of Uruk-Hai, which came from goblin-men and Mordor orc which were sent to him. They were a superior warrior race of Uruk, and were physically perfected, unlike the crook-limbed Mordor orcs. In fact, they were the only Uruk which displayed courage and discipline. Tolkien describes, In "The Two Towers", the Uruk-Hai who captured Merry and Pippin refused to run away, even when overwhelmed by Rohan riders and faced with annihilation, and fought to the last Uruk in a valiant last stand atop the hill they camped on; whereas the Mordor orcs ran like cowards, which is common trait of normal orcs when they do not have the advantage of greater numbers, and are fearful of death.

Even overtaken by great hunger and fatigue, the Uruk-Hai would not eat Merry and Pippin - which is saying A LOT. Whereas the Mordor orcs were feral at that point, and couldn't resist trying to take them and devour them; which lead to the Uruk-hai slaughtering many of them and devouring them instead.

Uruk-Hai were entirely loyal and fanatical Uruk soldiers who served Saruman, and followed his orders blindly. Which is also unlike Mordor orcs, who were treacherous and unruly, and required fear and brutality, by Sauron and his Dark Lieutenants, to keep in line (which is seen in this game I believe).

Not true at all because read what BeanyUndead wrote before.