Middle-earth™: Shadow of Mordor™

Middle-earth™: Shadow of Mordor™

is there anyone here that knows the entire lore of silmarilion, lotr and hobbit?
just curious ;d ive finished my marathon of all 6 films and having never read the silmarilion, or the hobbit ive never realized how massively interesting, big and deep the lore is
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youve read silmarillion
TSWolf Nexures eredeti hozzászólása:
youve read silmarillion
Yup
dude how old is gandalf? and wtf is he even ? and what happened to him at the end of lotr
TSWolf Nexures eredeti hozzászólása:
dude how old is gandalf? and wtf is he even ? and what happened to him at the end of lotr
He is old as f... His Gandalf's appearence is 2000 or more years old. He is maia. His real name is Olorin.
After lotr he returned to Valinor (where he came from).
Also you can find almost any infornation in Wiki. =)
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Adorhelm; 2015. júl. 18., 10:20
yeah but it doesnt explain what he is,and what happened to him. it just says he never appeared in middle earth again. what made him a wizard? was he born a wizard?
TSWolf Nexures eredeti hozzászólása:
yeah but it doesnt explain what he is,and what happened to him. it just says he never appeared in middle earth again. what made him a wizard? was he born a wizard?
As I said he is Maia. Maia is a "lesser" spirit. He was sent to Middle- Earth to stand against Sauron and he has got his appearence (human form).
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Gandalf
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Adorhelm; 2015. júl. 18., 10:25
TSWolf Nexures eredeti hozzászólása:
yeah but it doesnt explain what he is,and what happened to him. it just says he never appeared in middle earth again. what made him a wizard? was he born a wizard?

Basically in LOTR lore (this is putting it in the terms of western religion) Valinor is like heaven, there is one God and two ranks of angels. Higher angels and lesser angels (Maia). Each higher angel had a couple Maia that helped them or learned from them.

Well Gandalf was one of the lesser angels and one day there was a big meeting of angels about what to do about Sauron and if they should help the people of Middle-Earth. The higher angels asked for volunteers among their helpers (Maia). Saruman (can't remember his Maia name) was eager to go, because he was believed to be (and believed himself to be) one of the wisest and strongest Maia. Radagast-Maia also volunteered and so did two others. Then Olorin (Gandalf) shows up late because he's been out doing his thang, exploring and learning ♥♥♥♥. His higher angel pimp daddy volunteers him because he knows how cool he is, but Olorin being the humble pimp he is says that he ain't strong or wise enough to help fight Sauron, but his pimp daddy is like "Yeah right, get out there champ." So he does.

So these 5 Maia take human-like form, they can't die from old age but their bodies could be killed from enough physcial damamge. They have strange powers, so the peeps in Middle Earth call them "wizards". They only remember their Maia-selves kind of like a dream. Their mission is to help the people of Middle Earth hold off and eventually defeat Sauron. Notice I mentioned two other "wizards", they are the Blue Wizards and they aren't really mentioned in any of Tolkien's stories. He may have planned to write more about them but he didn't.

The End
radagast is the dude that takes over animals right ?

also why was saruman all weird in the hobbit film? especially in the third one its like nobody has noticed hes been taken by the ring

which brings me to my next question, why does a high entity like saruman even cares about something like the ring? hes god-like..

whos tom bombadil, and where did he get the ring from ? and why wasnt he affected by it

in the wiki it says gandalf was sent by the "west" ?

and are gandalf and galadriel lovers? why didnt she join gandalf in the third film when he was being rescued ?
also i find it hilarious how shadow of mordor is not canon in the lore ;d
TSWolf Nexures eredeti hozzászólása:
yeah but it doesnt explain what he is,and what happened to him. it just says he never appeared in middle earth again. what made him a wizard? was he born a wizard?


The best way to explain what Gandalf is, is to imagine that there is a god - a creator of all things. I think in Tolkein lore, this god's name is Eru.

Anyway, this god made some angels. One such is named Melkor, who's name was later changed to be Morgoth. Then this god along with his angels, made some lesser angels - sort of like vassals that would help the major angels. Sauron was one of these lesser angels, and followed Melkor/Morgoth.

Eru made all these angels so that they could create music in the heavens that would resemble the movements of creation he had imagined. He needed the angels to play the music, and to also see his plans form on Middle Earth. It came in 3 movements which more or less correspond to the 3 major ages of Middle Earth. Every major struggle Middle Earth has gone through, was directly related to Melkor trying to make the music different.

Eru chose a number of these angels, including Melkor, who was determined to ruin the symphonic creation according to his own musings, and sent them down to Middle Earth in a land to the west called Valinor. I think he sent something like 12. The vassals went with them.

Once there, these vassals made these things called the Ishtar. They are basically the pages and squires of the lesser angels. In other words, Sauron, a lesser angel of Melkor, created these things called Balrogs - who were his Ishtars.

Gandalf is an Ishtar. Sarumon is an Ishtar. They are beings that act as a pages or squires for a lesser angel. I can't remember who Gandalf belongs to, though. But I do know that he was actually one of the weaker, and most fearful of all the Ishtar. When charged to go to the land of Man and fight Sauron, Gandalf originally did not want to, because he was afraid of Sauron. This is why he grew so close to the Hobbits - he found a kindred spirit within them.

So as the heirarchy goes.

Eru - god

Melkor/Morgoth - angel (he's bascially Satan)

Sauron - lesser angel (a vassal of Melkor)

Balrog - Ishtar (this is not the actual word used to describe these. Ishtar is really a word that describes a fellowship of wizards who were sent to ME to deal with Sauron - Sarumon the White, Gandalf the Gray, Radaghast the Brown, and then there were 2 blue wizards that went further north and are believed to have lost the light and died. At any rate, the Balrogs were a creation of Sauron. I just can't think of the actual word off the top of my head.)

Gandalf - Ishtar (cosmically on the same power scale as a Balrog. Gandalf and Sauron are not equals - Sauron is WAY more powerful than Gandalf.)


Valinor is not heaven. Valinor is still part of the planet that is called Ea (I think that's the name.) It's just another continent on the other side of the world. It just happens to be something of a neutral ground, and all the big names reside there - the 12 angels Eru sent, along with their vassals. The angels, like Melkor, tend to send their vassals and their Ishtars to do stuff over in Middle Earth - which is why LOTR is all about Sauron, and not Morgoth.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: MEMPHIS; 2015. júl. 19., 13:15
Valinor is tha part of the World where all the Valar -creations of the God Iluvatar- reside. Melkor used to be a Valar to but he exiled himself from Valinor when he stole part of the light of Valinor in the form of a gem -Silmarlis- and took it to the north of Beleriand -is the western part of middleearth that covered by the sea after the sunk of the grat island of Numenor.
The "West" is another term for heaven basically. Saruman cares about the ring because Sauron is a lot more powerful than he is, and he put a lot of that power in the ring so if Saruman can control he ring he gains more power. He was seduced by power and forgot his mission, in the beginning his excuse was he needed all that power to stop Sauron, but really he just wanted it for himself.

Tom Bombadil didn't get the ring, Frodo let him see it but he is old as ♥♥♥♥ and has special powers when he's on his land. He's like the first living being on Middle Earth, it's not really explained completely what he is but he doesn't really concern himself with good vs evil.

Radagast doesn't take over animals, he talks to them. They like him so they do what he says. They made him look like a moron in the movies but he's not in the books.

No Gandalf and Galadriel aren't lovers you weirdo, she helped in her own way. She's one of the Elven lords who had a ring of power, they have to hide from Sauron or else he will try to enslave them like he did to the black riders (human ring-lords). She's holding it down back in Lothlorien, fighting an invisible war against evil.

I don't know what you mean about the shadow of Mordor not being canon, the shadow of Mordor just means the evil that surrounds Sauron.

My advice, read the freaking books instead of getting spoilers on steam. Read LOTR, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion (one of the best books ever), and Lost Tales. Then you will know what you want to know.
theres always that one guy who complains ^^
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Nexures; 2015. júl. 20., 2:49
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