why did they kill talion's family

[Bryan=0101]

NOTE THIS IS NOT A SPOILER this is legit how the game starts why did they kill them in this fashion?

Did the elf wraith have a limit to whom it can bond itslef too did they have to be killed in a certain fashion?

[[WOLF] Lord Remize]

In order for him to be undead they had to die. simply said.

[Viksteri]

Yeah seems like it cause the game doesnt really talk that much about why wraith chose Talion

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by Remwulf:

In order for him to be undead they had to die. simply said.

Simply failed

[Aku]

I don't think his family had to die for him to be undead. They just did that to be a**h****. You know, we killed your family and now you get to spend eternity stewing about it. He's undead because the Black Captain spoke that curse as he slit Talion's throat.

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by Dobian:

I don't think his family had to die for him to be undead. They just did that to be a**h****. You know, we killed your family and now you get to spend eternity stewing about it. He's undead because the Black Captain spoke that curse as he slit Talion's throat.

reason why you wrong is a spoiler The elf is his curse nothing else as the tower tells you i'm just wondering if he can only rez those who's family also got killed the same way

[Count_Dandyman]

Originally posted by Dobian:

I don't think his family had to die for him to be undead. They just did that to be a**h****. You know, we killed your family and now you get to spend eternity stewing about it. He's undead because the Black Captain spoke that curse as he slit Talion's throat.

Pay attention to whats said as the family is killed their deaths in that particular manner are a key part of the binding ritual that calls the elf to Talion.

People tend to forget just how little magic there is in Middle Earth which is the reason things that would happen easily with little effort in other settings require more extreme over the top preparation here.

[Aku]

Originally posted by Count_Dandyman:

Pay attention to whats said as the family is killed their deaths in that particular manner are a key part of the binding ritual that calls the elf to Talion.

People tend to forget just how little magic there is in Middle Earth which is the reason things that would happen easily with little effort in other settings require more extreme over the top preparation here.

Yeah it's not that obvious from watching the cutscenes and I'm not an expert on Middle Earth magic, so it's a easily missed if I'm not listening to every word of dialogue or doing something else while I have an eye on the screen. Plus you don't get to rewind these scenes like you do when watching tv, where I rewind all the time to catch something that was said.

[Jackie Daytona]

As I said in another post, Celebrimbor sees himself as the world's only hope. In his mind, HE'S the ONLY one that can possibly vanquish Sauron. He feels that it's his duty to the good of all life to kill Sauron and is driven by unthinkable grief and rage after seeing Sauron butcher his wife and daughter infront of him and burn his kingdom, Eregion, to the ground. Celebrimbor is obsessed with the idea that he, and only he, can use the power of the One Ring for good. He believes, since it was him that gave the One it's own mind, that the One Ring answers to him NOT Sauron. He sees himself as the Lord of the Rings and this world' only conceivable hope for defeating Sauron and he is willing to do ANYTHING to do it.

Ceebrimbor has been utterly corrupted by the One Ring. He no longer sees himself as an Elven King. To him, he is the Bright Lord of Mordor; an immortal, indomidable, being of light and goodness that will scorch Sauron's evil from the world forever and usher in a new age of peace and light. That's the One Ring's doing, though. Celebrimbor talks about redeeming the Uruks and purifying Mordor but he controls them through exploiting their fears and breaking their minds. That's what Branding is: Celebrimbor breaks the mind of a Uruk and shackles it to his will. YOU are not in control of them. HE is. That's why it's always Celebrimbor that 'takes over' to dominate Uruks, dispatch them, or command them to kill.

Celebrimbor is NOT your friend. He is using Talion to get the One Ring back (or, failing that, forge his own One Ring). Celebrimbor was waiting for the right person to come along. Talion lost his family before his eyes, was slain by Sauron (or, at least, his most powerful follower, the Black Hand), and desires vengence. Talion is the PERFECT vessel for him; easily manipulated and willing to do ANYTHING it takes to vanquish Sauron. He is the enemy. He is WORSE than Sauron (Sauron knows he's evil, he just doesn't care) in that Celebrimbor has become everything he swore to annihilate. In essence, Celebrimbor is the LotR equivalent of Arthas from Warcraft lore. Since he's just a Wraith and can't interract with the physical world or the livng (with the exception of Gollum, presumably because he once wore the One Ring), Celebrimbor needs a body to act through. Celebrimbor is the Gravewalker, not Talion. The only thing Talion is to Celebrimbor is a vessel for his glorious return. Like Sauron, Celebrimbor is a master of deception.

He was never going to let you die after killing the Black Hand. It was all lies.

[Jonwar9]

He was calling Sauron to him, so that Sauron could command directly through him, but that would require the ring first. So you get the best Elf Lord, the Celebrimbor, the Lord of the High Elves in the second's age's ghost. Also people tend to not know, but Sauron and celebrimbor are both High Elves.

[felmari]

its a civil war and about control.

circumstances are similar and there are some interesting clues through the main mission and especially the end.

[Lennybolt7]

Originally posted by Jonwar9:

He was calling Sauron to him, so that Sauron could command directly through him, but that would require the ring first. So you get the best Elf Lord, the Celebrimbor, the Lord of the High Elves in the second's age's ghost. Also people tend to not know, but Sauron and celebrimbor are both High Elves.

I thought sauron was a minor god, or a servant of one.

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by Jonwar9:

Also people tend to not know, but Sauron and celebrimbor are both High Elves.

You're right. People tend not to know that. Instead, they know that Sauron is a Maia.

[aekstrand13]

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

Originally posted by Jonwar9:

Also people tend to not know, but Sauron and celebrimbor are both High Elves.

You're right. People tend not to know that. Instead, they know that Sauron is a Maia.
:conwayfacepalm:

Also, they tend to know that Celebrimbor is a Wood Elf, not a High Elf.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by Jonwar9:

He was calling Sauron to him, so that Sauron could command directly through him, but that would require the ring first. So you get the best Elf Lord, the Celebrimbor, the Lord of the High Elves in the second's age's ghost. Also people tend to not know, but Sauron and celebrimbor are both High Elves.

This is flat-out incorrect. Sauron was never an elf; he's a Maia. In the lore, Maia are basically lesser angels, which makes Sauron a fallen angel who became a demon. He was also the only one who created the One Ring; he and Celembrimbor worked together on the other 19 Rings of Power, but the One Ring was forged later, and it was done solely by Sauron using the same menthods used to forge the other 19. It makes sense though that many people would think that Sauron was an Elf; one of his abilities was shape-shifting, and he took the form of an Elf when he convinced Celembrimbor to help him in forging the first 19 Rings. But he was never actually an elf

Originally posted by Aku returns:

I don't think his family had to die for him to be undead. They just did that to be a**h****. You know, we killed your family and now you get to spend eternity stewing about it. He's undead because the Black Captain spoke that curse as he slit Talion's throat.

I don't think the uruks intended for Talion to become undead either, and it was just a decision the Black Hand made as a spur-of-the-moment thing. After all, Talion's a Ranger, and his family lives at the outpost where he's stationed. Sauron hates Rangers of Gondor almost as much as he hates elves, so the uruks would have killed Talion's family anyway.

[aekstrand13]

Originally posted by aekstrand13:

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

You're right. People tend not to know that. Instead, they know that Sauron is a Maia.
:conwayfacepalm:

Also, they tend to know that Celebrimbor is a Wood Elf, not a High Elf.

*Actually a Grey Elf, my bad. (Reading the appendices again tonight.)