[SPOILER] Why I liked the ending

[Sprezzatura]

It's interesting that there are so many speculations about what is really going through Rufus' head at the end and makes the choices that he does. This is my take and my own [/b]opinion[/b] on what happened which lead to a fairly [/i]satisfying[/i] ending for myself.

When Goal approaches the 3 prototypes at the end to try to find Rufus she is confused about who the real Rufus is and proceeds to question them all. Each of them initially try to selfishly convince Goal to save them but the real Rufus realizes time is ticking and tells her to save herself (at least in my own choices). Knowing that they are just going in circles, Rufus decides that his best option would be to let Cletus live (Argus would just try to take over so he is essentially picking the lesser of the two evils) and sacrifice himself so that most importantly Goal can escape in time. During this, Goal understands who the real Rufus is and just how much he has changed (She's spent a lot of time with him and has seen a part of him that nobody else had which lead to her falling for him, this is further reinforced when she defends him from the Deponians prior to launch and her confession of love during the Argus interrogation) and decides to respect his decision.

Rufus falls and is met with his biggest fan, Barry, whom reaffirms his admiration by telling him that only Rufus could have made such a tough decision reminding Rufus that he really has changed and thought of someone else but himself.. Barry crashes into the satellite and Rufus breaks out laughing, satisfied with the result of his choice because ultimately he accomplished the majority of his biggest goals. He saved Goal, Deponia, and Elysium and even though he never made it to Elysium himself he's happy with his decision.

Goal and Cletus (dressed as Rufus) are in the elevator and the awkward exchange the two have hint that Goal knows that he's not really Rufus but she encourages him anyway for both Elysium and to respect Rufus' decision. She cuts him loose on the council and walks outside and lets out a sigh while looking down on Deponia from Elysium possibly wondering if Rufus survived (He's as resilient as a cockroach) or just missing him.

That being said, it's pretty open-ended and there are quite a few loose-ends that I would like to see explained (Whatever happened to the kids in the sewer? How are all the Deponians? Do they ever learn the truth about his sacrifice? Does it change their opinion of him? etc.) but I am fairly satisfied with the way it ended regardless! Cheers to Daedalic for an awesome game.

[youknowinhindsight]

Oh... yeah... the kids... umm...

Other than that though, I'm glad someone can finally look at this objectively instead of whining that it couldn't be better.

[TheEqulizar]

I thought the ending was really good actually, nice to see some people think the same. It did leave a lot open though; it was missing that cheesy scene at the end of every movie where it shows what happened to everyone after the fact. In the series you met so many interesting characters, whom's fate I would like to know. It would be nice if they released a comic as fan service, just to wrap things up in that sense.

***Also, remember rufas is and can be cloned. He's not necessarilly dead, Goal could save him... Mind blown***

Seriously though, if Daedalic released a comic book or short game taking place after the events of Goodbye Deponia (possibly taking place from the perspective of Goal, they hinted at this when Rufas asked what happened to Goal when he was gone), I would 100% buy it. Daedalic, get on that!

[youknowinhindsight]

Originally posted by TheEqulizar:

***Also, remember rufas is and can be cloned. He's not necessarilly dead, Goal could save him... Mind blown***

Was thinking the same, though then I realized human remains start to decompose after a few days so eventually a line would get drawn, but what the hey.

Originally posted by TheEqulizar:

Seriously though, if Daedalic released a comic book or short game taking place after the events of Goodbye Deponia (possibly taking place from the perspective of Goal, they hinted at this when Rufas asked what happened to Goal when he was gone), I would 100% buy it. Daedalic, get on that!

Definitely. If you click on the door of the rover at the very very end of the second-to-last part (just before Rufus and Goal are launched onto the ship) you'll see some of the Deponians are crammed into the back of it, which means they got onto Elysium, but there are still a lot of loose threads.

[Tortl'to Turphyre]

If anyone is disatisfied with the ending, then let me remind you of a game called monkey island 3 and that ending.

[youknowinhindsight]

Originally posted by killamaxxxxx:

If anyone is disatisfied with the ending, then let me remind you of a game called monkey island 3 and that ending.

*faints, curls up in the fetal position and cries about the inhumanity of it all*

[TheEqulizar]

Originally posted by TheArtGamer061:

Was thinking the same, though then I realized human remains start to decompose after a few days so eventually a line would get drawn, but what the hey.

Well he did fall over Porta Fisco, and that's not even necessary. Rufas is already in the same cloning database as the organan, and hermes, so in theory, if someone got acess to that terminal they could clone Rufas. Or I might be entirely wrong, and missed some important information during that part of the game? Either way, I'm sure Daedalic could find some way to bring Rufas back if the wanted to

[Bacon]

Originally posted by killamaxxxxx:

If anyone is disatisfied with the ending, then let me remind you of a game called monkey island 3 and that ending.

...why? the ending to curse of monkey island was corny sure, but it still left the player with a good feeling about the experience.

[youknowinhindsight]

Originally posted by KrissedeRocherNue:

Originally posted by killamaxxxxx:

If anyone is disatisfied with the ending, then let me remind you of a game called monkey island 3 and that ending.

...why? the ending to curse of monkey island was corny sure, but it still left the player with a good feeling about the experience.

For me it was because of how incredibly much I loved the ending to MI2, which is still one of my favorite games of all time - a lot, a LOT of people hated it, and so they made a crap third game six years after the fact. This, along with milking the Star Wars franchise to death, didn't just mark the end of Lucasarts, it seared the brand so far into the flesh that anyone from a hundred miles around would be able to tell just from the smoke alone.

[DrunkenSqrl]

Originally posted by TheEqulizar:

Seriously though, if Daedalic released a comic book or short game taking place after the events of Goodbye Deponia (possibly taking place from the perspective of Goal, they hinted at this when Rufas asked what happened to Goal when he was gone), I would 100% buy it. Daedalic, get on that!

I have to agree and disagree with you on that.

Yes, the End leaves a couple of loose threads (the future of Elysium & Deponia is pretty much the biggest, but there are a also smaller ones), but in the end they don't matter. Ultimately, Deponia was about Rufus, and Rufus alone. His growth from being an egomanical and insane person, obsessed with getting what he wants (Goal and to Elysium) to an adult who did the right thing, even if it meant he had to sacrifice himself. This is a process that happened throught the Trilogy, but the biggest changes can obviously be seen in GD, where he even sacrifices himself twice, onec to save Goal and once for himself. And the remarkable thing about the whole story is, that he did it without changing who he is. In the end he is still the guy who comes up with the most insane and stupid ideas (shooting the tank out of the cannon, jumping into the rotor) but for completely different reasons. What I take away from this series of games is that you can change what you fight for without having to change who you are. Everything else in the game was just a tool to allow Rufus this growth, and that is why I don't want to see a spin-off.

But with everything being said. If they made it I'd still buy it, but I'd really like GD to be the last we hear from Deponia.

[pumerogo]

You said it absolutely beautiful Phantasmagoria, I completely agree =) And I like your view, DrunkenSqrl =)

[TheEqulizar]

Originally posted by DrunkenSqrl:

Yes, the End leaves a couple of loose threads (the future of Elysium & Deponia is pretty much the biggest, but there are a also smaller ones), but in the end they don't matter. Ultimately, Deponia was about Rufus, and Rufus alone. His growth from being an egomanical and insane person, obsessed with getting what he wants (Goal and to Elysium) to an adult who did the right thing, even if it meant he had to sacrifice himself. This is a process that happened throught the Trilogy, but the biggest changes can obviously be seen in GD, where he even sacrifices himself twice, onec to save Goal and once for himself. And the remarkable thing about the whole story is, that he did it without changing who he is. In the end he is still the guy who comes up with the most insane and stupid ideas (shooting the tank out of the cannon, jumping into the rotor) but for completely different reasons. What I take away from this series of games is that you can change what you fight for without having to change who you are. Everything else in the game was just a tool to allow Rufus this growth, and that is why I don't want to see a spin-off.

But with everything being said. If they made it I'd still buy it, but I'd really like GD to be the last we hear from Deponia.

I completely agree with you on the basis that the Deponia series was about Rufus and Rufus' transformation as a person, though I think leaving the Deponia universe on the note that the third game ended is waisted potential. Its one of the most fully realized universes that I've seen in gaming to date. There are so many funny, unique, and interesting characters in the Deponia universe, that you see grow over the course of the three games (honestly why in my opinion Goodbye Deponia was so funny), who you get absolutly no closure with. Also, there are a lot of implications with the ending, which isn't to knock the ending, I think it was great, but theirs a lot left for you to decide, "What happened to Rufus? did he somehow manage to survive the fall? is he dead forever? couldn't they just clone him again? What about Elysium? are they ever going to be able to leave Deponia for good? What happened to everyone else? What happened Wenzel and Kuvaq after act 1 of part 1?" I could go on forever with questions, about what happened afterwords. But then again, maybe thats what Daedalic was going for. None the less, I still think they could do a little more with the universe; and I'm not saying there has to be anything big, but some small piece of content taking place after the end of Goodbye Deponia (or possibly a spin off game, which they directly hint at 2 seperate times in the game), would really go a long way in wrapping up what was otherwise one of my all time favorite series of games.

[DrunkenSqrl]

Originally posted by TheEqulizar:

...This quoting is getting out of control...

Part of me would also love to see more Deponia, more Wenzel, more Kuvaq, more Goal, I probably haven't made this clear enough in my first post, the Deponia universe has also become one of most loved game settings.

But the other part of me is willing to make the sacrifice of having no more Deponia games to give it this truly great ending. (You see what I did here? (: )

But ultimately, this is a decision that Deadalic will have to make, and if they read the forums to get feedback from fans, all I can say is: You did a great job, but I don't know if I want another game.

[TheEqulizar]

Originally posted by DrunkenSqrl:

Part of me would also love to see more Deponia, more Wenzel, more Kuvaq, more Goal, I probably haven't made this clear enough in my first post, the Deponia universe has also become one of most loved game settings.

But the other part of me is willing to make the sacrifice of having no more Deponia games to give it this truly great ending. (You see what I did here? (: )

But ultimately, this is a decision that Deadalic will have to make, and if they read the forums to get feedback from fans, all I can say is: You did a great job, but I don't know if I want another game.

That was really well put. Though I might want to see a little more content, and I completely respect you not necessarilly wanting more; either way something good comes out of it. On the one hand you have more Deponia (which I don't think anyone would really complain about), or you a truly great ending to a truly great series.

All credit where credit is due to Daedalic for making such an amazing series. Though I do think they read the forums, and are probably aware by now of the unfortunatatly, predominantly negative reaction to the ending. Reguardless, what ever they do plan to do next, I'm sure will be as great as ever

PS: I do see what you did there :D

[Jocosity]

I was honestly pretty disappointed coming here after finishing watching a friend play through it and seeing how many people were complaining about the ending; especially some of the people in other threads who seem to have totally missed the point of the series. I didn't think it was possible for people to miss the idea that "Rufus starts out doing everything he does for the sake of getting Goal" was a joke meant to draw humor from the fact that the player is doing all these things to try to save Deponia while Rufus is excusing everything you do as being for his own purposes and only helping by accident. I can't actually speak for the developers, but I'm around 90% sure that you weren't actually supposed to agree with Rufus's motives throughout most of the series.

[dragon]

Agreed, I would have wanted to see what the others (doc,bozo,toni,etc) now think about him. Especially the ones who asked him to die already (toni,cletus,bozo)

Other than that I find the ending fine. Really unexpected and pretty epic, considering that in the end this is what rufus chose and he even seems fine with his decision. Though he's complaining that everyone but him will reach elysium now, shortly before

But yeah, as always. Don't give the people a happy end and await the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Guess people just can't cope with stuff like this.