loved the ending

[8-bit_gaming]

im going to keep this short.
first yes it could have been a little better but it was good.
second people that hate it clearly failed to get the message the game was about.

rufus is a caricature of heroes in games.
Just listen to the things he says.
he thinks he shold save the princess and live happly ever after.
he thinks hes important to the world.
but he learns that he is not
he learns that the rewarded(getting the princes) is not the right reason to save her.
he learns that others are just as important as him


the people that hate the ending wanted rufas to win and get the girl. And live happily ever after in paradise
but the point of the game is the world does not work that way. Real heroes rarly live to tell the tale
and they do what they do even if it means not getting the girl as long as the girl is saved and others are safe to

and he still got the girl in a sense goal clearly knows Cletus is not him. She love Rufus as she said while under the influence of a truth surm
she looks down missing him.

oh and ps I highly doubt he can be cloned the machine was dead last we saw it and they would have no way of pulling his memories from a splattered body meaning at best we would get the rufas from befor the clone incedent


I just want to support endings that do things different everyone wants cerial box happy endings to every game and every movie
they hate any implication the main character is dead no matter what
they think the only good ending is a happy one they probably hat marly and me and that episode of futrama
you know what a story is still a great one even if its sad. And the things rufas did still matter as the world was saved.

I have read so many comments that sound like the Rufus from the start of the game “what does it matter if 2 hole worlds are saved if im dead and not able to be celebrated or getting the girl.”
that’s the most selfish way to look at the ending how did your actons not matter in the game? You saved the world!!

[Mr.Fusion_]

I sort of agree. I like unconventional endings too, but this felt forced. There was the illusion of choice at the ending. It seemed as though we would be able to pick our fate but you get pushed down one path. Also sacrificing yourself works when you are doing for someone that you like, but I don’t like Cletus or Argus, why would i want them to have a happy ever after rather than me. I saved Deponia and they get to live at the end of the game when one of them wanted to destroy Deponia and the other invade Elysium. They are bad people and i certainly wouldn’t want Goal to be with either one of them. It’s true that the hero’s don’t always win in real life and don’t live, but often people who are self-centred and greedy get what they want and have the undeserved happy endings. I would have liked to have chosen my fate in the end. But I don’t hate the ending; I think it could have been done better.

[8-bit_gaming]

i choice would defet the purpose of the ending.if it was a choice why would you.
the reason you sacrficed yourself was to save goal and deponia.
it was a wast of presus time just siting there.
cletus was not that much worse then you he changed his mind and did not want to destroy depoina. yah he was a ♥♥♥♥ but so are you(in the game i have no idea what your like in real life)
the reson why you deserve goal is the very same reason you cant have her

there was no choices in any of the games and each ended with a false choice so its no difrent then one or 2.

in 1 they act like you can lie to goal and go to elysum by not telling the truth and thus geting everything you want but you cant make that choice.

in 2 you can once again lie to goal if you want to get everything you want and win but you cant

and in 3 once again its up to a situation with goal and weather you lie or tell the truth and once again you tell the truth but ther is still no choice in how and you must alow yourself to fall to show her the truth. all these endings are almost exactly the same

[DJForgotten]

8-bit_gaming that is a good breakdown. The bottom line is - whether you like the ending or not - you're not given any choice. Sure, Rufus was an idiot and an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but we've spent many hours with him... we've seen him grow. I don't mind the ending. I mind the fact that you took a character we grew to love over 3 games and said "nope" and instead put a rotten one (albiet changed) in his place

[8-bit_gaming]

was the only reason you did the things you did to get the rewared? then your just as bad as ruffes the hole game is a commentary about games. how the girl is the goal of the game.
the point of the game is to point out the flaw in thinking you should get the girl just becuse you were able to combine two items.
your goal should be for the betterment of the world not the betterment of yourself

[DJForgotten]

Of course everyone wants to save the world... I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. But at the same time, that ending is just as cheesy as any other. Many games have the ending of a hero saving the world but dying. Off of the top of my head Fallout 3, Shadow of Colossus, BioShock etc. If you want a real "different" ending Rufus would have failed entirely, making the whole time you played the game pointless.

[8-bit_gaming]

and you do relise that everyone hated the ending of fallout 3 till the dlc came out and unkilled you
bishock has gotten alot of hate for it to but is probubly the only exception to being completly hated

i dont think you have played Shadow of Colossus.
the ending is completly diffrent
they spend the hole game trying to save thier gf only to creat an evil that could distroy the world. you then have to scrfice not your life but who you are to save the world. you are then turnd into a baby wiping the darkness from your sol you created. you are left with horns
you grow up to be the chricter in ico

there has been almost no games that killed the MC and stuck to it in the last 5 years
compare that to the 500 games where you "win"
but yet becuse yo think there might be one other game with a simler ending that means its equaly as orginal?

[DJForgotten]

Not saying it's not original, just not as much as you would think. I wonder if they had all 3 games written in advance or decided how to end it when they began work on game 3. Thanks for the conversation, it's fun to talk about games like this.

[Xblacker]

I also recently finished Goodbye Deponia and whilst I disliked the end, I am at least comforted by the fact that Goal 100% knows that it is Cletus, her tone and voice - the sarcasm of telling Cletus that he must act as Ruffus for the rest of his life is like Cletus' form of retribution - He has sentenced the rest of his life to acting as someone else. As an intelligent person he must act like an idiot and I expect for him that is his own form of hell. Goal will not end up with him and would realistically go looking for Ruffus in the future.

By the way there is confirmation that Ruffus is not dead by the German voice actor of Ruffus himself, however he states that Ruffus has left the building. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=744552455556564&set=vb.200756696602812&type=2&theater

After replaying the end 15 minutes or so of the game again I've come to also realise that Ruffus probably made the decision so that Goal herself didn't have to. He couldn't let her live with the guilt of sacrificing the other two to save him. He also wouldn't let the destruction of Deponia hang on the balance of Goal not wanting to let any of them die. Looking at it like that he is the true personification of what being a hero means. In the end I'm happy in believing he truly did change, but his change was for himself and probably due to meeting goal throughout the series. Maybe it's too poetic as well but I like to think it was his love for Goal that ultimately changed him for the better.

was also just wondering if anyone knows what collecting all the eggs.etc unlocks

[DJForgotten]

With regards to the eggs, it unlocks the "Field Guide" in the Bonus section of the menu. It has some funny artwork. Also - I like your interpretation of the ending. Cheers

[Xblacker]

Originally posted by DJForgotten:

With regards to the eggs, it unlocks the "Field Guide" in the Bonus section of the menu. It has some funny artwork. Also - I like your interpretation of the ending. Cheers

Thanks, I enjoyed reading your post and the rest in this thread. Ironically throughout the Deponia series I felt myself thinking more cynically, sarcastically and egotistically alongside Rufus (as you yourself fall into character - even if just a tad) and at the end I was thinking to myself how ironic to think that he changes into a better person whilst in some respects the player themselves revert down to Rufus' level by controlling Rufus' character throughout the story as a whole and often associating with his humor xD

[8-bit_gaming]

Originally posted by Xblacker:

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thanks for stating that its what i was trying to say. im better at speaking in person about this kind of stuff my dislexia gets in the way

[Xblacker]

Originally posted by 8-bit_gaming:

Originally posted by Xblacker:

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thanks for stating that its what i was trying to say. im better at speaking in person about this kind of stuff my dislexia gets in the way

Do not worry my friend, every Deponia fan feels like a brother to me. Whether some of us enjoyed it, whether some of us hated it, or maybe some of us felt fairly neutral about it; we all share the games precious and special moments with each other. It was a fantastic trilogy and though the end left me distraught, there are so many things that I still love about the entire series and it's world as a whole. The story MUST be acknowledged. It was an honour reading all of the comments here and throughout the other threads too, since we as the player are now the ones who carry the torch for Rufus' memory. We as the player become his immortality. Rufus will survive through our own voices and I know that I will never forget the journey. The art was so full of life all the way through the game and the voices and music alongside carried it towards it's success.

A masterpiece doesn't have to be perfect. :)

On a final note a couple of beautiful Deponia related images

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/040/5/4/deponia_fanart__up_there__down_here_by_lumary92-d75tal4.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/353/4/9/i_m_coming_home_by_arciiox-d6yj0d9.jpg

[Colonel Cthulu]

I just beat the game, and I gotta say, I'm still feeling the wake of the ending.

At first I chose the dialogue choices that were most heroic i.e. sacrificing yourself, and as soon the final cutscene started playing I though "♥♥♥♥, I forgot to save right beforehand."

Since I hadn't tried all the other options first I thought that there were multiple endings based on your choices at the end. I looked to see if there were any videos still locked and realized that that was it and at first it hit me pretty hard.

At first I felt ♥♥♥♥♥♥, I didn't think the ending was bad but I was hoping it would have gone differently. It was obvious that Goal knew that it was Rufus who feel so I took solace in that.

I immediately came to the discussions looking for a discussion thread like this and reading your guys's analysis of it definitely put my mind at ease. I loved this whole series and was not expecting to get such a hit in the feels from a point and click adventure game, but I guess that is a sign that it was really good.

I bought the new collection and am definitely going to play through it all again soon.

[Phex]

So the ending.
Yes, well it wasn't what any of us expected.
But then, would it have been better if it had been what we expected?
And really, what did we expect?
A happy end? Would't that have felt shallow?
A for Cletus getting the girl, that was part of the ending i didn't understand.
It seemed to me that Cletus kind of explored the part of him which made Rufus Rufus because he was given the opportunity for creativity.

[Sam]

I don't think Cletus "got the girl" at the end. Remember what Goal said under the truth serum, and also her reactions after Rufus' fall, and especially her last sigh. My guess that her line "the real Rufus would not say that" was her trying to see if Rufus could come up with yet another plan. That's why she was shocked. And that's why I don't think that she stayed with Cletus-she just left him there. He also knows he's not Rufus, but at the same time he's also a clone. They will have different lives, but I think he also learned to be a better person, or at least changed enouh to not be 100% as Argus was.

Still, I wonder if Goal would look for Rufus (or vice versa) now that it is known that he's not dead.