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[Reuben]

They'll ♥♥♥♥ this one up too.

[Blast Hardcheese]

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So what you're trying to say is that race mixing is bad and shouldn't ever be represented? Do you think I walk down the street and wonder which parts of Europe every "White" (By your own metrics) man hails from? Sounds pretty racist to me. Fellas, we should stop being so racist to this racist here. Not white enough, we came from the wrong part of Europe. Could have sworn you were mad interested in American politics in that other thread. You not North American? Or have your ancestors somehow avoided the "mud"? What would your ideal Concord race setup look like? I'm dying to know considering you're so fixated on it.

As mentioned, I'd rather focus on the quality of someone's soul, someone being from the same "stock" is just a side bonus because they might share the same values that took us from simple mud huts to complex infrastructure whilst the rest of the world peaked.

Simple repackage the game as a live-service F2P game with similar characters to the original roster of Overwatch 1 and you have a winner.

I shall now enjoy Space Marine 2 in German uninterrupted.

Wow, you actually said one thing I can agree with. Skin and ancestry don't mean a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing if your soul is an ugly thing. Human beings tend to trust easier when they're from the same "stock" or "tribe", that is instinctual. So why did it matter so much with Concord? By that logic, if every character has soul, why does the racial makeup of the group matter?

I may find your opinions to be hot garbage, but Space Marine 2 is not. Enjoy your time with it. Genuinely.

[Reuben]

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As mentioned, I'd rather focus on the quality of someone's soul, someone being from the same "stock" is just a side bonus because they might share the same values that took us from simple mud huts to complex infrastructure whilst the rest of the world peaked.

Simple repackage the game as a live-service F2P game with similar characters to the original roster of Overwatch 1 and you have a winner.

I shall now enjoy Space Marine 2 in German uninterrupted.

Wow, you actually said one thing I can agree with. Skin and ancestry don't mean a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing if your soul is an ugly thing. Human beings tend to trust easier when they're from the same "stock" or "tribe", that is instinctual. So why did it matter so much with Concord? By that logic, if every character has soul, why does the racial makeup of the group matter?

I may find your opinions to be hot garbage, but Space Marine 2 is not. Enjoy your time with it. Genuinely.

Because the writing in Concord is racist towards North-Western Europeans, I don't think the souls of the characters in that game are high vibrationally as a result.

Space Marine 2 has some quality of life issues but it's a breathe of fresh air for gaming in current year, especially if you switch the local to German.

[Blast Hardcheese]

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Wow, you actually said one thing I can agree with. Skin and ancestry don't mean a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing if your soul is an ugly thing. Human beings tend to trust easier when they're from the same "stock" or "tribe", that is instinctual. So why did it matter so much with Concord? By that logic, if every character has soul, why does the racial makeup of the group matter?

I may find your opinions to be hot garbage, but Space Marine 2 is not. Enjoy your time with it. Genuinely.

Because the writing in Concord is racist towards North-Western Europeans, I don't think the souls of the characters in that game are high vibrationally as a result.

Space Marine 2 has some quality of life issues but it's a breathe of fresh air for gaming in current year, especially if you switch the local to German.

How is the writing in Concord racist towards North-Western Europeans? Most of the game doesn't even take place on Earth. Hell, I have no idea if Earth is still around in that timeline, Concord hid all of it's lore behind a separate menu option where you traveled around a big Mass Effect style galaxy map and got to read about planets, factions and characters. Most of which didn't even show up in the finished project which i found extremely odd, but Overwatch had a ton of background lore barely anyone pays attention to. I really don't see how that is different at all.

Like if you could cite specific examples, sure, but if the game was genuinely prejudiced, do you not think there would be a huge stink about it? Strange how I've argued with dozens of people on this point, and none of them have a sliver of evidence. All I've seen as far as the racist argument goes is "There are no white people in the game" which is not only bullsh*t but then always devolves into "What IS a white person?" Because you'll get a million different answers depending on who you ask.

Teo is white, or at least "white passing" if he somehow doesn't fit your definition of "white". Does it matter what parts of Africa the black space people are descended from? Is Bazz not black because she's too lightskin? Strange that nobody so concerned about the racial makeup of the one white character in the game at launch was asking those questions. Oh that's right, because running racial purity tests on a bunch of god*amned pixels is one of the saddest things I could possibly imagine someone doing.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

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Wow, you actually said one thing I can agree with. Skin and ancestry don't mean a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing if your soul is an ugly thing. Human beings tend to trust easier when they're from the same "stock" or "tribe", that is instinctual. So why did it matter so much with Concord? By that logic, if every character has soul, why does the racial makeup of the group matter?

I may find your opinions to be hot garbage, but Space Marine 2 is not. Enjoy your time with it. Genuinely.

Because the writing in Concord is racist towards North-Western Europeans, I don't think the souls of the characters in that game are high vibrationally as a result.

Space Marine 2 has some quality of life issues but it's a breathe of fresh air for gaming in current year, especially if you switch the local to German.

lol, your answers are just getting more and more absurd trying to defend your anti-woke talking points. You went from “racist against white people” to “well actually, I’d rather look at one’s soul than their skin color” and then back to “the game’s writing is racist against white people so the characters’ souls are not high vibrationally”. WTF does high vibrationally even mean? I like how you mentioned that North Americans aren’t real white people anymore because there’s too many non-whites in our population diluting our whiteness. You kind of sound like a nazi to be honest. No wonder you’re enjoying Space Marine 2 in German.

[Blast Hardcheese]

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Because the writing in Concord is racist towards North-Western Europeans, I don't think the souls of the characters in that game are high vibrationally as a result.

Space Marine 2 has some quality of life issues but it's a breathe of fresh air for gaming in current year, especially if you switch the local to German.

lol, your answers are just getting more and more absurd trying to defend your anti-woke talking points. You went from “racist against white people” to “well actually, I’d rather look at one’s soul than their skin color” and then back to “the game’s writing is racist against white people so the characters’ souls are not high vibrationally”. WTF does high vibrationally even mean? I like how you mentioned that North Americans aren’t real white people anymore because there’s too many non-whites in our population diluting our whiteness. You kind of sound like a nazi to be honest. No wonder you’re enjoying Space Marine 2 in German.

Seriously, I didn't wanna just call the dude that, because it's a mad overused insult, but the way he's going on I feel like we're gonna get a rant about phrenology if we push him much harder. Man has moved the goalpost for what a white character can be so far we're using metrics from like the 40's.

[Reuben]

Vibrational energy is the measure of one's soul, it's more important than the colour of one's skin but I'll still point out racism when I see it as that's low vibrational energy.

You can be white and not Caucasian, i.e. albinism. It was more of a commentary on diluted commonality from the culture the majority of your ancestors stemmed from than race, sometimes admixing produces healthier stock.

When using the word "Nazis" you should clarify if you mean the unruly biker gangs or the National Socialists.

Space Marine 2 in German is good because the voice acting is way better than some of the lines in English.

Phrenology is bogus but weird stuff like that wasn't just limited to Germany and still goes on to this day, people have been born with brain abnormalities that should cause intellectual disability yet they're highly intelligent.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

When I say “Nazi”, I mean the national socialists. I don’t really understand how you can measure the soul of fictional characters in video game, considering they don’t have souls because they’re not people.

I believe that a person’s worth is determined by their actions and we all start from an even playing field. Everyone is equal, regardless of race, or at least, if people are unequal, it’s because of their own individual capabilities and not because of what ethnicity they belong to. I think media (such as video games)has had a disproportionate amount of white people in them for too long, so I don’t mind seeing more women or people of other ethnic groups being featured in modern games.

The reason I give anti-woke people a hard time is because A) I encounter them at every turn, in threads like this one. If you look at the title of the post, you wouldn’t expect this topic to come up. I am so sick of hearing this stuff get repeated B) What they have to say is nonsense. A game’s quality or the quality of the story is not determined by “wokeness” or the absence of it. Setting aside the fact that the word doesn’t even have an exact definition, you can tell a compelling story and have progressive themes subtly woven into the plot. You can also have completely terrible games with bad writing that is completely devoid of social and political topics.

Trying to conflate bad games with wokeness is probably the dumbest argument that anti-woke people make. Some games are good, others are bad. Some of the good ones get called woke like pretty much every game PlayStation Studios has released in the last 8 years, Baldur’s Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy (all of which are financially successful except for Concord). Some of the bad ones get called woke too, like Concord and Suicide Squad. There’s plenty of bad non-woke games too like Gollum, Skull Island Rise of Kong, etc.

I just can’t believe that there are idiots on YouTube like Sidescrollers, Melanie Mac, Vera Dark, Smash JT, etc. And people actually listen to them, as if what they have to say hold any weight at all. They have found a niche that exists from the overlap of gaming and right wing/conservative beliefs and they exploit it by using people’s culture war paranoia. 75% or more of their content is baseless accusations and speculation. As far as I’m concerned it’s just a scam to say outrageous things in exchange for Youtube ad revenue.

[Reuben]

In Shintoism and other similar religions everything has a soul, the difference is in the complexity of the soul i.e. one dimensional souls all the way to twelve dimensional souls, people personify objects for a reason. The characters are defined by the writing which is racist and thus low dimensionally.

The wokeness is just one aspect of why certain games suck, usually the gameplay also suffers (like in Outlaws) because the developers are too busy catering to an audience that doesn't really play games, that's why people are pissed.

I don't take information at face value, it either needs a study to back the claims or multiple credible people saying the same thing in a compelling manner, I've never even heard of the people you mentioned.

[Blast Hardcheese]

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In Shintoism and other similar religions everything has a soul, the difference is in the complexity of the soul i.e. one dimensional souls all the way to twelve dimensional souls, people personify objects for a reason. The characters are defined by the writing which is racist and thus low dimensionally.

The wokeness is just one aspect of why certain games suck, usually the gameplay also suffers (like in Outlaws) because the developers are too busy catering to an audience that doesn't really play games, that's why people are pissed.

I don't take information at face value, it either needs a study to back the claims or multiple credible people saying the same thing in a compelling manner, I've never even heard of the people you mentioned.

I haven't heard of them either, but their point still stands. There is way more overblown reactionary content out there than ever that gets people riled up by applying some sinister agenda over petty crap they otherwise wouldn't have cared about. You can barely escape it on the net these days.

You keep saying the writing is racist but offer no samples or even the example you saw that made you go "wow, this is racist". What credible source with actual hard proof told you this? Like this isn't some "You can't be racist against Caucasians" sh*t, because one can be prejudiced against any group. I'm genuinely curious why you feel that way. All of the in-game writing I've seen does not reflect any sort of malicious sentiment on any race, but there was ALOT of it, wasn't able to read the whole thing before it died.

All that being said, you've got a rather unconventional belief system. When you were talking about "vibrational energy" I just thought you were talking about "good vibes" or something but wow was I off the mark. I'll say this, despite thinking your view on this overall situation is crap, the intent of one's soul mattering more than one's "stock" is appreciated, if nothing else. I think the whole woke thing is an over-exaggerated scapegoat.

Both Ubisoft and Sony have pushed out flawed titles before. While I think Outlaws plays it too safe, it will be fine sales wise. Concord had a mountain of issues with how it presented itself, priced itself, and when it released itself. It was a poorly timed release, that cost too much for what it offered, that had extremely unmarketable character design compared to it's competition. No matter how decent I found it's gameplay to be, it was not new or exciting enough to justify spending more on it than you would one one of it's cheaper competetors. While there is a sizable pocket of rabid users that see woke everywhere they go who made these two games a target, there are far bigger flaws factoring into the lukewarm reception of both.

Going to attempt to drop the argument there because otherwise we risk talking in circles if you don't come back with any actual, factual points to your arguments. Plus I'd rather you not get your thread closed for this extremely off topic tangent we have gone on.

[Reuben]

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In Shintoism and other similar religions everything has a soul, the difference is in the complexity of the soul i.e. one dimensional souls all the way to twelve dimensional souls, people personify objects for a reason. The characters are defined by the writing which is racist and thus low dimensionally.

The wokeness is just one aspect of why certain games suck, usually the gameplay also suffers (like in Outlaws) because the developers are too busy catering to an audience that doesn't really play games, that's why people are pissed.

I don't take information at face value, it either needs a study to back the claims or multiple credible people saying the same thing in a compelling manner, I've never even heard of the people you mentioned.

I haven't heard of them either, but their point still stands. There is way more overblown reactionary content out there than ever that gets people riled up by applying some sinister agenda over petty crap they otherwise wouldn't have cared about. You can barely escape it on the net these days.

You keep saying the writing is racist but offer no samples or even the example you saw that made you go "wow, this is racist". What credible source with actual hard proof told you this? Like this isn't some "You can't be racist against Caucasians" sh*t, because one can be prejudiced against any group. I'm genuinely curious why you feel that way. All of the in-game writing I've seen does not reflect any sort of malicious sentiment on any race, but there was ALOT of it, wasn't able to read the whole thing before it died.

All that being said, you've got a rather unconventional belief system. When you were talking about "vibrational energy" I just thought you were talking about "good vibes" or something but wow was I off the mark. I'll say this, despite thinking your view on this overall situation is crap, the intent of one's soul mattering more than one's "stock" is appreciated, if nothing else. I think the whole woke thing is an over-exaggerated scapegoat.

Both Ubisoft and Sony have pushed out flawed titles before. While I think Outlaws plays it too safe, it will be fine sales wise. Concord had a mountain of issues with how it presented itself, priced itself, and when it released itself. It was a poorly timed release, that cost too much for what it offered, that had extremely unmarketable character design compared to it's competition. No matter how decent I found it's gameplay to be, it was not new or exciting enough to justify spending more on it than you would one one of it's cheaper competetors. While there is a sizable pocket of rabid users that see woke everywhere they go who made these two games a target, there are far bigger flaws factoring into the lukewarm reception of both.

Going to attempt to drop the argument there because otherwise we risk talking in circles if you don't come back with any actual, factual points to your arguments. Plus I'd rather you not get your thread closed for this extremely off topic tangent we have gone on.

It's not really that unconventional, I'm sort of talking about "good vibes" but it goes deeper than that, it's basically Gnosticism which is essentially an early version of Christianity before it got malformed into a vehicle of fear and control.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

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I haven't heard of them either, but their point still stands. There is way more overblown reactionary content out there than ever that gets people riled up by applying some sinister agenda over petty crap they otherwise wouldn't have cared about. You can barely escape it on the net these days.

You keep saying the writing is racist but offer no samples or even the example you saw that made you go "wow, this is racist". What credible source with actual hard proof told you this? Like this isn't some "You can't be racist against Caucasians" sh*t, because one can be prejudiced against any group. I'm genuinely curious why you feel that way. All of the in-game writing I've seen does not reflect any sort of malicious sentiment on any race, but there was ALOT of it, wasn't able to read the whole thing before it died.

All that being said, you've got a rather unconventional belief system. When you were talking about "vibrational energy" I just thought you were talking about "good vibes" or something but wow was I off the mark. I'll say this, despite thinking your view on this overall situation is crap, the intent of one's soul mattering more than one's "stock" is appreciated, if nothing else. I think the whole woke thing is an over-exaggerated scapegoat.

Both Ubisoft and Sony have pushed out flawed titles before. While I think Outlaws plays it too safe, it will be fine sales wise. Concord had a mountain of issues with how it presented itself, priced itself, and when it released itself. It was a poorly timed release, that cost too much for what it offered, that had extremely unmarketable character design compared to it's competition. No matter how decent I found it's gameplay to be, it was not new or exciting enough to justify spending more on it than you would one one of it's cheaper competetors. While there is a sizable pocket of rabid users that see woke everywhere they go who made these two games a target, there are far bigger flaws factoring into the lukewarm reception of both.

Going to attempt to drop the argument there because otherwise we risk talking in circles if you don't come back with any actual, factual points to your arguments. Plus I'd rather you not get your thread closed for this extremely off topic tangent we have gone on.

It's not really that unconventional, I'm sort of talking about "good vibes" but it goes deeper than that, it's basically Gnosticism which is essentially an early version of Christianity before it got malformed into a vehicle of fear and control.

You’re one of the most unique anti-wokers I’ve ever encountered on Steam discussions. You don’t fit the typical mold of white christian conservative American that most of them seem to be.

[Reuben]

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It's not really that unconventional, I'm sort of talking about "good vibes" but it goes deeper than that, it's basically Gnosticism which is essentially an early version of Christianity before it got malformed into a vehicle of fear and control.

You’re one of the most unique anti-wokers I’ve ever encountered on Steam discussions. You don’t fit the typical mold of white christian conservative American that most of them seem to be.

We're not all bad! Many people put into this group just want to play decent vidya without any current year drama attached.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

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You’re one of the most unique anti-wokers I’ve ever encountered on Steam discussions. You don’t fit the typical mold of white christian conservative American that most of them seem to be.

We're not all bad! Many people put into this group just want to play decent vidya without any current year drama attached.

That’s fair, sorry for saying you sounded like a Nazi, that wasn’t a fair thing to say. I don’t feel as strongly about “woke” games but I do wish there was a better mix of game types in the current age. And I wish everyone could respect people’s vision. Although I think this year has been a decent example of that with games like Astrobot, Space Marine 2, Black Myth Wukong and others.

I wish anti-woke people (like the YouTubers and their followers) would not immediately crap all over most AAA games before they are even out yet. But at the same time, the games media need to relax with going after games like Astrobot, BMW, and Space Marine 2 (or at least the CEO of saber for saying that he just wants to make games that doesn’t impose morals on gamers). There should be room for all types of games. But I do think we are at a turning point, with Suicide Squad and Concord especially getting rejected (since both were online multiplayer, I’m not sorry to see either one fail even if my issue wasn’t the wokeness so much as the bland design lack of critical thinking internally that led to such projects), these massive publishers hopefully will realize that they can’t just ship anything and everything and people will just buy it no matter what.