METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: SNAKE EATER

METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: SNAKE EATER

Dunther 1 JUN 2023 a las 8:06 a. m.
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No Kojima? No buy (EDIT added)
I don't think I'll give Konami money after the whole Kojima situation, I don't think making a MGS game (even if it's a "remake") could work without him.

EDIT: I have to add something since much has changed since I opened this thread.
I still think that Kojima is needed for any Metal Gear canonical game (not because Kojima is a god or the only one that made these games great, but because MG is an auteur series and Kojima is the auteur).
That said, this will be a 1:1 remake, like TLOU Part 1, so they just have to recycle most of what they already have, and the chance of messing without changing its story or gameplay is relatively low.
I also saw that KONAMI is trying to reedeem themselves and that they would like to work with Kojima again (even if I'm sure it will never happen), and that they will credit him for his work, so at least we have that.
Still I don't really like the new characters models to be honest, and I feel it looks like any uninspired UE fan-remakes of N64 games, but we'll see how this turns out; luckily we still have the Master Collection, and even if it is a lazy effort, it's a way to play the original.
Última edición por Dunther; 8 SEP 2024 a las 3:41 p. m.
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Grey Or Gray 3 JUN 2023 a las 4:07 p. m. 
I mean look at Resident Evil. The remakes are not being made by Shinji Mikami. They are still some of the best games in the franchise, and many think they are better than the originals (other than RE3R, made by their less experienced team). You don't need the original author to make good games or even remakes. Kojima is one of my favorite game authors and producers, and I love Metal Gear. But he isn't needed to continue, or re imagine the franchise. Kojima's absence is not what should make us skeptical about the game; whether or not Konami will actually make a good game is.
Dunther 3 JUN 2023 a las 6:58 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Megas:
Publicado originalmente por Dunther:
I don't think I'll give Konami money after the whole Kojima situation, I don't think making a MGS game (even if it's a "remake") could work without him.
Reddit
I didn't mention Reddit.

Publicado originalmente por Grey Or Gray:
I mean look at Resident Evil. The remakes are not being made by Shinji Mikami. They are still some of the best games in the franchise, and many think they are better than the originals (other than RE3R, made by their less experienced team). You don't need the original author to make good games or even remakes. Kojima is one of my favorite game authors and producers, and I love Metal Gear. But he isn't needed to continue, or re imagine the franchise. Kojima's absence is not what should make us skeptical about the game; whether or not Konami will actually make a good game is.
Shinji Mikami was not kicked out of Capcom just to have his work ruined.
Jill Stingray 3 JUN 2023 a las 10:20 p. m. 
You don't love Metal Gear. You love Kojima. And that's fine. He has a new (movie) game coming out soon so maybe that's for you.

I think people should watch the "Metal Gear Solid 4 was a Mistake" video. You quickly realise Kojima is a hack if it wasn't exposed in MGSV already.
kornflakes89 3 JUN 2023 a las 10:35 p. m. 
Oh grow up.

If you weren't so busy licking Kojima's boots you'd have noticed that starting with MGS4, he was dragging the series downward.

I mean seriously, you're worshipping a guy that saw no problem with using "Nanomachines did everything!" as a crutch for MGS4's story to make any kind of sense.

And the fact is, we already have at least two good Metal Gear games with little to no Kojima involvement. So yes, it can work without him.

Publicado originalmente por Dunther:
So the series has ended already, that's my point

So your point is that you know nothing?

Because Kojima wanted someone else to take over the series after he left it behind.
Dunther 4 JUN 2023 a las 8:39 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jill Stingray:
You don't love Metal Gear. You love Kojima. And that's fine. He has a new (movie) game coming out soon so maybe that's for you.

I think people should watch the "Metal Gear Solid 4 was a Mistake" video. You quickly realise Kojima is a hack if it wasn't exposed in MGSV already.
I love Metal Gear as an author game, which it is.
Soul_Brothers 4 JUN 2023 a las 2:49 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Grey Or Gray:
I mean look at Resident Evil. The remakes are not being made by Shinji Mikami. They are still some of the best games in the franchise, and many think they are better than the originals (other than RE3R, made by their less experienced team). You don't need the original author to make good games or even remakes. Kojima is one of my favorite game authors and producers, and I love Metal Gear. But he isn't needed to continue, or re imagine the franchise. Kojima's absence is not what should make us skeptical about the game; whether or not Konami will actually make a good game is.

That's not the point here. Shinji Mikami parted from Capcom amicably and gave his blessing for Capcom to carry on the series in his stead. Kojima created Metal Gear and assembled a dream team to make the MGS the legendary series it is now, and Konami screwed him over, fired him and stole the IP from him.

Konami can't make a sequel without Kojima since the saga is complete, so they're instead just rehashing his previous work. The problem is that they're copying his and KojiPro's work without his consent and will most likely not even give him any mention at all in the credits when it was his work in the first place. They didn't even mention Kojima's name once in the press release.

Had Konami buried the hatchet with Kojima and Kojima gave Konami his blessing to work on this project, we would have been okay with that. But Konami didn't and just went ahead with it anyway. THAT's why we are against this.
Soul_Brothers 4 JUN 2023 a las 2:51 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por SE7EN:
so what? kojima gave us a half ass game like phantom pain which was a total waste of time with a garbage story
dont be a hypocrite, kojima was a great game director but when you force the man to only work on metal gear he will eventually mess it up
like arnold schwarzenegger , yes the man was a true icon back in 80s and 90s but when you force him to play the terminator in his 70s its sure to be a hot garbage

MGSV was flawed and incomplete because Konami rushed the game's development and fired Kojima before he could complete the game.
Soul_Brothers 4 JUN 2023 a las 2:55 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por kornflakes89:
Oh grow up.

If you weren't so busy licking Kojima's boots you'd have noticed that starting with MGS4, he was dragging the series downward.

I mean seriously, you're worshipping a guy that saw no problem with using "Nanomachines did everything!" as a crutch for MGS4's story to make any kind of sense.

And the fact is, we already have at least two good Metal Gear games with little to no Kojima involvement. So yes, it can work without him.

Oh go choke on a bag of d*cks. MGS4's story was great. Quit your b*tching just because Kojima didn't write it the way you wanted him to.
And the only good games we got with limited involvement from Kojima were Metal Gear Rising and Metal Gear Acid 2. The last new Metal Gear game we got after Kojima was unfairly fired from Konami was Survive, and it sucked.
Última edición por Soul_Brothers; 4 JUN 2023 a las 2:56 p. m.
Soul_Brothers 4 JUN 2023 a las 3:10 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Angel Lux:
At the end of the day Kojima is one guy out of 100+ of ppl that worked on the franchise . Was he important? Sure! Did do everything? Did e write every line of dialogue ? Did he decided on every thing that went in to the game down to every single pixel ... no.

Nobody said that Kojima made the all of the games by himself. Of course he didn't, and of course we're not saying that. Quit putting words in our mouths.

Publicado originalmente por Angel Lux:
Kojima is probably a good dude but after the travesty that was MGSV, I don't think you can put on this pedestal and give him sole credit for the franchise and its success.

If you were actually paying attention and not such a braindead zoomer like you are, you would recognize that MGSV launched in a flawed state because Konami rushed the game's development and fired Kojima before he could complete it. MGSV's final result was not Kojima's fault. It was Konami's for being greedy corpo ass-hats.

Publicado originalmente por Angel Lux:
Let's not forget:
MGS3 was written by 3 ppl not 1 (Hideo Kojima, Tomokazu Fukushima, Shuyo Murata)
MGS4 was written by 2 ppl not 1 (Hideo Kojima, Shuyo Murata)
MGSV was written 1 person (Hideo Kojima)

When did the franchise start going down ... oh yeah MGS4... and V was garbage in the story telling department.

Do I need to repeat my last statement on how Kojima got screwed over by Konami and the story was compromised because of that? And even if he wasn't, many people, including myself, agree that MGS4, Peace Walker, and V's stories were fantastic. V could have been even better had Konami not screwed Kojima over. And MGSV had 4 writers including Kojima: it also had Shuyo Murata, Hidenari Inamura, and Etsu Tamari.

Don't speak for all of us like the Metal Gear fandom agrees in unison with dipsh*ts like you who got filtered and mad that Kojima didn't write the story you wanted him to.

If you can't show some g_ddamn respect to the man who made Metal Gear the legendary series it is, then you can go f*ck yourself.
Última edición por Soul_Brothers; 4 JUN 2023 a las 3:11 p. m.
Soul_Brothers 4 JUN 2023 a las 3:16 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jill Stingray:
You don't love Metal Gear. You love Kojima. And that's fine. He has a new (movie) game coming out soon so maybe that's for you.

We love Metal Gear and Kojima. Metal Gear wouldn't be what it is without Kojima. Simple as.

Publicado originalmente por Jill Stingray:
I think people should watch the "Metal Gear Solid 4 was a Mistake" video. You quickly realise Kojima is a hack if it wasn't exposed in MGSV already.

No thanks. We don't care about what no-name e-celebs think about MGS or that impressionable ret*rds like you base your opinions on MGS off what you hear from e-celebs.
Yes, I have a Mic. 4 JUN 2023 a las 3:20 p. m. 
Hm. I tend to agree.
That coupled with the absence of snake vs monkey... yeah... unless they add something grand in there I'm not sure.

That being said; Death Stranding sucked. I don't care how much ♥♥♥♥ it gets me but we all know its true. If that pretentious dog turd is what he accomplishes when he goes off by himself well... maybe the problem wasn't all Konami.
Plus do you remember when he replaced David Hayter with Kiefer Sutherland? Selling out Hayter like that, what an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Feels abit like karma he got sold out himself.

Yeah, its less that I have loyalty to Kojima and more that I have special disdain toward unethical practices. Its a tough one.
I did like MGS3... will need to wait and see.
Última edición por Yes, I have a Mic.; 4 JUN 2023 a las 3:21 p. m.
Soul_Brothers 4 JUN 2023 a las 3:33 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Yes, I have a Mic.:
Hm. I tend to agree.
That coupled with the absence of snake vs monkey... yeah... unless they add something grand in there I'm not sure.

That being said; Death Stranding sucked. I don't care how much ♥♥♥♥ it gets me but we all know its true. If that pretentious dog turd is what he accomplishes when he goes off by himself well... maybe the problem wasn't all Konami.
Plus do you remember when he replaced David Hayter with Kiefer Sutherland? Selling out Hayter like that, what an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Feels abit like karma he got sold out himself.

Yeah, its less that I have loyalty to Kojima and more that I have special disdain toward unethical practices. Its a tough one.
I did like MGS3... will need to wait and see.

Death Stranding is not a bad game, but it's not a game for everyone. A lot of people didn't like it while a lot of other people did. I for one thought it was great, but it's not my favorite game from Kojima.

And regarding David Hayter, I'll just go ahead and repost this response I had to a previous user in the thread:

Kojima never directed the English dub of any of the MGS games until V, so he and Hayter never even met. He only directed the original Japanese voice cast throughout the series while Konami of America was in charge of localization. It wasn't until MGSV that he made it with the English version given priority based on the themes of the story and directed the English voiceover himself, and when he got the opportunity to cast Sutherland as Snake for both MoCap and voiceover, he got excited, jumped at the opportunity, and got it.

Kojima only personally sought out Sutherland and Troy Baker for Snake and Ocelot, and personally held auditions for new characters like Quiet, Skull Face, and Code Talker. The rest of the returning cast were left in charge of Konami of America, thus the original voice actors were re-casted.

Kojima had nothing against Hayter. Could he have handled it better? Absolutely. Did he have any ill intent about it though? No.

Meanwhile in the Japanese dub of MGSV, Snake's Japanese voice actor Akio Ohtsuka was recasted.
Elias 4 JUN 2023 a las 5:06 p. m. 
Trash take, opinion dismissed.
"I want others to make Metal Gear. That is my dream." - Hideo Kojima.
TheOrangeBox 4 JUN 2023 a las 8:50 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Razereign:
Trash take, opinion dismissed.
"I want others to make Metal Gear. That is my dream." - Hideo Kojima.

It's a remake not a make !!!
kornflakes89 4 JUN 2023 a las 8:56 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Soul_Brothers:
That's not the point here. Shinji Mikami parted from Capcom amicably and gave his blessing for Capcom to carry on the series in his stead. Kojima created Metal Gear and assembled a dream team to make the MGS the legendary series it is now, and Konami screwed him over, fired him and stole the IP from him.

Konami can't make a sequel without Kojima since the saga is complete, so they're instead just rehashing his previous work. The problem is that they're copying his and KojiPro's work without his consent and will most likely not even give him any mention at all in the credits when it was his work in the first place. They didn't even mention Kojima's name once in the press release.

Lol, so much wrong.

Mikami's departure from Capcom wasn't amicable, the guy was all sorts of butt hurt they ported RE4 to the PS2 when Mikami said that would never happen, which he had no right to say anyway since that wasn't his decision to make.

Konami did not steal the IP from Kojima, you can't steal something you already own.

Konami can make a sequel without Kojima.

Konami doesn't need Kojima's consent, they own the IP. And considering the fact that Kojima wanted someone else to take over the series, they already have his consent.

Depending on what kind of remake it is, legally they would have to keep his name in the credits if it's just the exact same game with new graphical assets. If it's a complete rebuild, yeah, his name wouldn't be in the credits because he didn't work on it.

Why would they mention Kojima in the press release? He's not involved with the project, they had no reason to mention him.

Publicado originalmente por Soul_Brothers:
MGSV was flawed and incomplete because Konami rushed the game's development and fired Kojima before he could complete the game.

Lol, no.

MGS5 was flawed and incomplete because Kojima was too busy screwing around instead of doing his job.

Konami rushed the games development? Lol, no. If Kojima hadn't been too busy making multiple trailers for every major gaming event since the game was announced, having music tracks written, recorded and mixed when he never had any intention of using them and having his own face scanned and having his people make him a "Very important person" in two missions for no other reason than to stroke his own ego, not to mention that "OMG HEAD TRANSPLANTS ARE REAL!" crap, the game could've been released a year earlier than it was.

Almost everything wrong with MGS5 is something that Kojima is at fault for, not Konami, but people like you are too deep into the "KOJIMA IS GOD!" garbage to see it.

Publicado originalmente por Soul_Brothers:
MGS4's story was great.

And the only good games we got with limited involvement from Kojima were Metal Gear Rising and Metal Gear Acid 2. The last new Metal Gear game we got after Kojima was unfairly fired from Konami was Survive, and it sucked.

So how's the underside of Kojima's boot taste? You sure seem like you've been licking it enough.

Really? Those are the only ones? I guess you forgot about Ghost Babel.

Survive was an OK game that wasn't given a fair chance by people like you because it didn't have Kojima's name stamped on it. You'd be singing it all sorts of praises if Kojima was involved with it even if it were the exact same game.
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