Even without Kojima, we should give Konami some credit.

[Spawn]

They haven't listened to consumers in YEARS. Can we at least say they are making actual progress in the RIGHT direction? Or is it too early to say?

Any thoughts?

[Sm0k3f47h3r]

depends highly on the state the games will be released in. they will get my "credit" by taking my money so that's enough. i will however wait with mgs delta till i see how the performance is and what the changes are. if the whole package convinces me, i will give it a go.

i am far away giving konami any form of praise. mgs should have been on steam a long time ago and the beef with kojimbo led to a butchered mgs 5.

[Ceceli Δ]

1. Too early to tell, as far as it goes for the MGS3 remake.
2. If they actually listened to players, they would have made MGS1 remake instead of going with the sure thing that 3 is.

[TheOrangeBox]

Lame Konami just went all the way into pachinko and mobile games and completely shut down the game division.

Now they're crawling back to Metal Gear Solid after the horrendous flop Survive had and Sony making money with Kojima.

What credit they deserve?
Metal Gear Solid belongs to the Internet Archive these days.

[SnakeShifter]

I will give due credit to Konami and probably even day/week one purchase the releases to support them as long as the remake and old collections aren't """"""""""changed for modern audiences"""""""""" if you know what I mean. Also, ♥♥♥♥ that toxic absolute hack Kojima.

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by SnakeShifter:

I will give due credit to Konami and probably even day/week one purchase the releases to support them as long as the remake and old collections aren't """"""""""changed for modern audiences"""""""""" if you know what I mean. Also, ♥♥♥♥ that toxic absolute hack Kojima.

Erm... How is he toxic now? lol

P.S.: Do you know who says the word toxic in this context? Modern audiences.

[J4MESOX4D]

I don't think Konami deserve too much credit - whilst I am grateful for the MGS3 remake and upcoming collection, it's simply a smart business move and that's it. They've seen what remakes have done for the likes of Resident Evil, Demon Souls and Dead Space and are basically cashing in with this and the Silent Hill 2 remake.

I had the Collection on the 360 and all the originals on their respective consoles as well as the GOG releases and Konami could've easily ported this to PC or even the PS4/360 gen in the last decade. They turned a blind eye to the franchise and let other brands in their portfolio stagnate. Even completely destroyed PES and set that back a good 15 years.

[kornflakes89]

Originally posted by TheOrangeBox:

Lame Konami just went all the way into pachinko and mobile games and completely shut down the game division.

Now they're crawling back to Metal Gear Solid after the horrendous flop Survive had and Sony making money with Kojima.

And they did that because at the time they were making a lot more money from pachinko machines than video games. Microsoft and Sony would've made the same decision if they found that video games weren't as profitable as something else.

Why would Konami care about Death Stranding? It was a borderline flop, it only started making money after six months and at least two permanent price cuts.

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

Erm... How is he toxic now? lol

Probably because he blames Death Stranding's criticism in the US on "Americans lacking the artistic sensibility to understand Death stranding." instead of the game just not being anywhere near as good as it is in his head.

[SnakeShifter]

Originally posted by kornflakes89:

Originally posted by TheOrangeBox:

Lame Konami just went all the way into pachinko and mobile games and completely shut down the game division.

Now they're crawling back to Metal Gear Solid after the horrendous flop Survive had and Sony making money with Kojima.

And they did that because at the time they were making a lot more money from pachinko machines than video games. Microsoft and Sony would've made the same decision if they found that video games weren't as profitable as something else.

Why would Konami care about Death Stranding? It was a borderline flop, it only started making money after six months and at least two permanent price cuts.

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

Erm... How is he toxic now? lol

Probably because he blames Death Stranding's criticism in the US on "Americans lacking the artistic sensibility to understand Death stranding." instead of the game just not being anywhere near as good as it is in his head.

Also this alleged history at Konami:

Originally posted by v00d00m4n:

Originally posted by PSNgamer_316:

Talented? Have you played Metal Gear Survive? I never pre-order anything because that's a very toxic practice to the consumers detriment IMO but I do hope this Remake turns out good. I don't like Konami for the split with Kojima but as a huge Metal Gear fan I will most likely buy this because I haven't been able to play any of the classics since the HD Collection on PS3.

Survive is cut coop mode that was made by Kojima before his departure. If you played MGS 5 by Kojima you may have noticed that portals already existed there. Vocal Cord Parasites (yeah i wonder why nobody but me criticized MGS 5 for this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Oh wait if Kojima does ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ - its genius, if same ♥♥♥♥ is done without hit, its ♥♥♥♥, right?) Zombies already was in main game as well. Basically all the nonsense that Survive was criticized for was already in MGS 5 and was done by Kojima.

Another thing is - Kojima tried to copy paste Red Dead Redemption 1 hardly back then, and if you dont remember, RDR 1 had Zombies DLC, this is what Kojima tried to repeat as coop mode. Also even COD had popular Zombie COOP mode which was good selling point. And years prior MGS 5 release Kojima had interview where he told that he is going to do COOP ZOMBIE game!

Also if you paid attention to early trailers and screenshots - coop mode was seen there. But it was not finished at the date of release (as well the rest of game), so it was cut.

Now do the 1 + 1 and get 2! Whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ survive has to offer was Kojima's COOP Zombie mode that was supposed to be part of MGS 5 at day 1! But Kojima wasted tons of budged for years on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and did not manage to finish most of MGS 5, and also there are valid insiders rumors that Kojima plotted with SONY to sabotage Konami by sucking all games budgets on his projects and making games very slow to ruing its market value and let it be sold to SONY for cheap, and most likely Kojima was offered a role of future CEO.
This enraged Konami CEO and he gave Kojima few month to finish whatever he can and then fired Kojima and made him remove public shares of Konami to prevent takeover.
Kojima was not victim there, he was predator who was spotted by potential victim before he performed attack, and so he was removed from company.

And MGS 5 was bad and unfinished not because of Konami but because of Kojima, if Konami would give him another year or two he would suck off all their money on MGS 5 and Silent Hills and would not release them for another few years until Konami would be nearly bankrupt and would not be in position to deny offer to be bought by SONY, this was plan as rumors says.

So Konami had no other choice but to give Kojima strict amount of month to finish what he can and fire him. And even that time was not spent effectively and he did not manage to make solid finished game in time, and it was released with content that was more or less finish, and rest of things such as Zombie COOP mode was not finished and was cut.

And because MGS 5 development wasted too much money and did not make as much, Konami, after firing Kojima just tried to return some wasted money by finishing this coop that was started by Kojima. It was like 60-80% ready, they just wrapped and polished things up.

They did mistake by selling it stand alone, they should have sold it as DLC, this would have less criticism. Also Konami CEO wanted so much to erase name of Kojima for his unloyalty that Konami did not reveal that Survive is actually A HIDEO KOJIMA GAME. And Kojima looking that game without magic brainwashing words "A HIDEO KOJIMA GAME" was not liked by people, used this situation in his advantage and did not admit on public that they just finished what he started.

And now everybody who did not dig Kojima dirt as deep blaming Konami for everything, despite it was Kojima who ruined MGS series and almost ruined Konami. Actually he ruined MGS with MGS4 after he and his overgrown fame-seeking EGO pushed out his co-writer and co-designer (who is true genius who made MGS 1-3 so great and managed to keep ideas of Kojima in sense and logic!) - Tomukazu Fukushima (to replace him with useless ass kissing hack Murata) out of Konami and removed him from credits of MGS 4 despite intro sequence remained from Fukushima version of script (and the the only serious part of MGS 4 before it gets down hill from Murata rewrites which made MGS 4 a cheap fan fiction).

He did not just ruin MGS 4 by that, but also ruined his karma, and ironically almost decade later universe gave him back what he did to Fukushima and same thing happened with Kojima and he was pushed out of Konami and was removed from credits (except those he secretly managed to put between missions where this egomaniac repeated his name over 9000 times) and title. He deserved it. Without him series actually has chance to get better.

P.S. - Tomukazu Fukushima wrote 100% of codec conversation alone for MGS 1-3 without Kojima (also he wrote Metal Gear Ghost Babel and Acid 1 100% alone and seems like part of ACID 2 was written by him before departure, and rest was finished and rewritten by Murata, which is why ACID 2 has nonsense that was not present in ACID 1) , and it was like 75%-90% of entire game script. He also did setting research and justification, and he was one of guys who visited New York and researched it... while Kojima did not do even that, he was not in New York with team and did not know a ♥♥♥♥ about it, except for what he seen in Escape from New York, that he tried to rip off.

If there was not Fukushima who expanded idea of Kojima to rip of off few of his favorite movies - MGS 1 2 and 3 would be just a blatant copy-paste of scenes without sense... basically like MGS 5 was (where Kojima copypasted 6 billion dollar man and couple of other things). And internal design document of MGS 2 actually called Tomukazu Fukushima not just script write but also a game designer of MGS 2, but in final game Kojima removed Fukushima from game design credits and falsely claimed it was all his design, Kojima took Fukushima credit to himself. This was 1st step to make Fukushima leave Konami unhappy with co-working with egoistic Kojima.

And without Fukushima MGS series never was the same and turned into cheap self parody anime fan-fiction - and thats what is a true A HIDEO KOJIMA GAME WITHOUT TOMUKAZU FUKUSHIMA!

Gladly Konami making MGS 3 remake following Tomukazu script, so no Kojima needed for that.

[Ceceli Δ]

So Kojima bad because US players can't grasp and fully apreciate Death Stranding + some tin foil hat conspiracy story? Gotcha.

[RamiroRa]

Definitely too early. It's pretty obvious this is Konami crashing their existing IPs, but given this could be the last thing of MGS players could get, they are eager to see what it is.

[kornflakes89]

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

So Kojima bad because US players can't grasp and fully apreciate Death Stranding + some tin foil hat conspiracy story? Gotcha.

Well...no.

It never had anything to do with American players not being able to understand it, it just wasn't that good of a game. And as big an ego as Kojima has, of course he's going to blame literally anything else for its poor performance long before he acknowledges that its poor performance was his own doing.

[TheOrangeBox]

Originally posted by kornflakes89:

Originally posted by TheOrangeBox:

Lame Konami just went all the way into pachinko and mobile games and completely shut down the game division.

Now they're crawling back to Metal Gear Solid after the horrendous flop Survive had and Sony making money with Kojima.

And they did that because at the time they were making a lot more money from pachinko machines than video games. Microsoft and Sony would've made the same decision if they found that video games weren't as profitable as something else.

Why would Konami care about Death Stranding? It was a borderline flop, it only started making money after six months and at least two permanent price cuts.

You're just presuming wrongly, Konami Digital Entertainment division (games on any device) has always been more profitable than the Gaming & Systems (slot machine business).

Sony cared about Kojima Production, made the money and are going for the second serve,

[kornflakes89]

Originally posted by TheOrangeBox:

Sony cared about Kojima Production, made the money and are going for the second serve,

Only reason they cared was because they thought Hideo Kojima's name carried the same kinda weight it used to while he was with Konami, if they paid any attention, they'd have seen that no, his name does not carry that kind of weight anymore. And odds are, they're going to have him on a tighter leash with DS2.

But that's not at all relevant as I asked why Konami would care that Kojima made Death Stranding when it was so poorly received they had to permanently lower the price, twice, just to get enough people to buy it to recoup development costs.

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by kornflakes89:

Originally posted by Ceceli Δ:

So Kojima bad because US players can't grasp and fully apreciate Death Stranding + some tin foil hat conspiracy story? Gotcha.

Well...no.

It never had anything to do with American players not being able to understand it, it just wasn't that good of a game. And as big an ego as Kojima has, of course he's going to blame literally anything else for its poor performance long before he acknowledges that its poor performance was his own doing.

Kojima is notorious for making games that go outside the box. It's the Kojima brand and it ain't for everybody. Most people who didn't get Death Stranding didn't complain about this or that like they usually do in reviews about any game; they complained about the foundation of the game: running around delivering packages, as if the game was just that, and totally missing the mark on what it's all about and how to enjoy this new type of adventure and world he has created. Anyway, just my 2 cents. I won't talk anymore on this.

[User J]

Nah, they don't care about the audience, their sales model isn't doing as well as before, so they've come crawling back to their old stomping grounds, like a past lover who cheated on their spouse and now wants them to "take them back" because their "new direction in life" fell apart.

https://www.destructoid.com/konami-slashes-its-profit-outlook-for-2023/

The beast is wounded, so lets kick this dying horse, it deserves to drop dead.