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You don't have to press spacebar to see how others did - the "world" ranking pops up on the next screen at the end of each case! Pressing a spacebar shows only your own results.
EDIT: Ah, you can always check how others did in Holmes's notebook, one of the last tabs, I think, the one with some sort of summary of so far solved cases - and yes, here you have to hold spacebar to see it. And yes, that's really not so good.
Yes - choice highlighted in red, means it's not the right solution.
In Riddle on the Rails, I saw something that does not exist and based my whole theory on that fact, so yeah, I'm still wondering how that happend that I managed to finish the case with a good result, haha.
And the right one would've been "The Mexicans drowned the Chilean".
I am not really happy with the endings to those case as well. In my opinion all endings could be right. The game fives you enough evidence for all endings to be equally possible. I would have liked it if some endings would make no sense with the right evidence. Some conductions are pretty bad as well. We see the collapsed mine, and suddenly have to decide if it was "closed for a reason" or closed with the train behind" it. Both pretty much the same, and how the heck should i know? There is not enough evidence for that.
And indeed, the grudge was about the mine. Why the Chilean got it and what they use it for is not solved as well. They probably made the entrance collapse, for an unknown reason, which made the mexicans even more mad, and the sea the last possibility for them then.
But there is no real evidence that shows that for sure.
Felt a bit like guessing in the end. Not really satisfying for a Holmes-game...
As well, the train was derailed around Doncaster, as the train manager at the station was corrupt and bribed. This means it had to have already passed the switch which would lead to the mines. I believe the Mexican is seen hanging around Doncaster as well.
no, the main clue was different lenght of the traces of horse carriage
The grudge was obviously over the mines. And mining business is as far as I know, a very lucrative business, thus making the mexicans lose alot of money over the lost contract.
Mind you, the mexicans was also already working the mines when the chileans took over. The mines per se, seems to be located in a very secluded and desolate location, in comparison to the lake which is completely out in the open, and not very far from habitation (trainstation/village).
Thus increasing the chance to be seen or even caught in the act.
And instead of just taking off with the train, stopping after a while, and then kill the chileans in the forest, or even dumping the bodies in the lake (presumably weighed down). It would've made more sense to just drive the train into the mines and then collapse the mine upon them. Since the mines was the high point of the antagonization, that would seem like a more logical choice of disposing of the train (and the chileans of course). Since an explosion would also render the mines useless while they would be excavated in order to get them running again. Because no matter what the mexicans would do, dead chileans or not, the mines was not "theirs" anymore. Which makes it even more perplexed, as why would they sabotage the mines, which they obviously did?
And that brings my thoughts over to why they didn't just dump the bodies into the water, but the locomotive, carriages and all?! And how they did not understand that dumping the whole damn train would flood the lake and the surrounding areas.
Also considering the time consumed to get the train carriages loaded onto a barge, then presumably towed into the middle of the lake, which would leave a big chunk of time for the chileans to react to that something was amiss. And unless they were retarded or thought their work would include under-water mining, they should've sure as hell figured out that something was going on, and thus would've started to fight their way out of the situation.
No, the more I think about it, this case sounds like a plan made up by Wile E. Coyote in order to kill a sedated Roadrunner.
Correct me if I am wrong,
1)as there are notification for the guards of the mine to stop every Mexican visiting the mine , it proves that there are guards before the mine was closed manually. If the mine was not closed, then there needs to be guards , and guards will witness such murder.
Now it is just by the general logic , there could be no guard as no direct evidences suggested that.
But after all as I mentioned, a logic that makes sense doesn't mean it is what the Mexican did.
2) the station master of lake has being bribed , with the authority of the station master, such chance could decreases.
Your logic makes sense, but it doesn't mean it is what the Mexican did.
1) The abondoned warehouse which originally used for storing rails has been destroyed and the rails have being stolen , the rail's trace of the station of lake has indicated somone placed the rails on the soil temporarily , while the rail's trace of the mine got screw traces on it, which means the rail are firmly installed by screws , and being removed recently.
2)There is a clear sign the station master of lake has being bribed .
3)Now talking the flooded area, it is nothing special to say because if I say the flooded area means the train is in the lake, the collapsed mine could means the train was being concealed in it too. But what interesting is, the flooding situation is really serious , whatever what is in the lake, it must be really large , and it must have something in it, but else it wont be called as flooding right.
edit: the Mexican seems smart anyway, as you mentioned it would be quite stupid if he didn't notice that the train will cause such flooding, well, sometimes people could be quite stupid lol, couldn't explain about that
4) Well they need to conceal the trains afterall right? Since they need to create a illusion that the train is vanished, not being hijacked and for the sake of murdering the Chileans.
1) Travelling to the mine will be even weird, as the schedule of the train is supposed to be travelling to a station, there are sign of the direction of the mine , and they bought the mine , they know where is the mine , and they willl surely wonder why the train is heading to the mine, there are some distances between the mine and the switch too, they will surely react about it and like you suggested, fighting the way right, while a side branch of a railway is leading to an instant switch towards the lake and death comparing to the mine
Would like to discuss further if there are any place to wonder or objects of interests, feel free to doubt me if you dont agree with me, this case are quite unclear and there are a lot rooms to discuss.
All the solutions and thoughts posted here, seems to be right. Now, how's that possible, when they are all different?
The case is so extensive and unclear, that it is even hard to get all the thoughts together.
When I was playing it for the first time, I choose the right solution by an accident actually.
I somehow saw, that the train could not turn to the mines, because of the wrong rails direction, which is of course not true. I don't know, if I was tired, drunk, hungover or what game I was playing, but the rails directions and turns are absolutely fine.
I also remember I couldn't find any other explanation for the question "Why the canyon was flooded?", so I treated the blown up mines as a distraction and the lake as the final place for the train.
Anyway, I would like to add, that I never thought that the train was loaded on the barge and dropped in the middle of the lake (though it would also explained the flooding), I rather think that the train drove at full speed right to the canyon on the rails, that was stolen and placed as close as they could be to the canyon - those rails stolen from the mines and the warehouse. Some of them were flooded with the train after destroying a dam, and the rest - that rest that was still accessible - was disassembled to clear the traces. I am talking about the place near the Doncaser station.
I also suppose, no one could have predicted how far will the water go, after destroying a dam. I think the Mexicans just wanted to hide the train that way. And that's actually the only thing that I am pretty sure about.
About transporting the train on a barge - well, we don't know how those barges looks like, and I can imagine, that maybe it can be done by placing the rails "from the ground to the barge" (as we know the trains cannot go anywhere without rails), but, mygod, that would need lots of preparation and the barge must have been... very long. There is also no place to do this - even if the canyon was flooded in the first place, the shore near Doncaster station would be to shallow to "park" a ship there. And the rails intersection near that station is the only one that leads to the flooded area. It would also took a lot of time, and there were people aboard, that would probably try to do anything to escape, so it must have been done faster.
That's why I think it's rather impossible.
Uhmm... And therefore I can't find a good use for the barge though. The only thing I can come up with, is that the Mexicans transported the stolen rails from the warehouse and the mines not only by carriages, but on the barge as well, to place them as close to the canyon, somewhere near the dam (not destroyed yet), and from there, they could start placing them from the other side, to Doncaster intersection, so they can drive the train at full speed, as I said before. We don't see any traces of heavy vehicles near Doncaster station, so I thought of that way of transporting the rails there - but I'm not really convinced to that solution, as I think is too contrived and far-fetched, unconvincing and I don't know why I write this at all.
I think it's the only case without a ONE solution, that everyone could say: "Yes, that makes sense and explains everything". Where the hell is Sherlock to say how it really was done, piece after piece! ;) Yeah, he could say something more at the end, more detailed explanation, I mean.
At least we know!
um lol, I think you just tell us out the right answer, every evidences match your explaination, the barge, the rail, carriages, since we are talking about the answer right or not, with your explaination, I am now more certain with my explaination. Actually I chose the right answer on the first time too, I changed the choice of lake to mine at the last moment, since I feel a bit weird from the carriage traces, the rail traces of the lake and the carge, and I couldn't tell why, now you just helped me connect everything.
But it doesn't mean the mine's method not making sense. It makes sense. But evidences incidate how a murder commit a crime. The mine's method cannot connect to those evidences, it is not how the murder perform the crime. So, it is a wrong answer.
And secondly, what about the barges? Mind you, barges vary greatly in size, but it would still be quite possible to load the carriages separately upon barges.
Anyway, I'm not arguing the difference between the conclusions. Just saying that this one was a trainwreck (pun intended) when it came to tie up the ends in the back of my head. Was a fun case, just the outcome wasn't very plausible.
By the way, why was the mexican chap staying behind at the trainstation?
Possibly checking any traces left behind and anything suspicous after his murder
um, what you mean by that? I dont understand....if you means loading the carriages to the mine, why dont they just drive to it on road
interesting point, since the area is flooded, we have no way to examine of the end of the line, this point could be one of the concern
The barges? A barge is a flat-bottomed boat, like a mobile platform on the water. Today, barges can easily load an entire train on to them. But I would assume that during the 19th century, barges was smaller due to having problems with moving them around (no petrol engines). However I am certain the barges was big enough to have one train cart loaded onto it.
No no, not driving the train to the already flooded area - driving it to the "dry" canyon, then destroying the dam hiding everything under water. Sorry, probably my english... :)
I feel like we could come up with another 10 ideas, haha.
I also somehow feel there is really a very simple explanation to all of this... Like, you know...:
"Of course the train was drowned in the lake, that's why the dam breached and caused the flooding". The problem is I would like to know how it has been done, precisely, step by step, like you can do it in every other cases.
And it's also probable that we are tearing everything into too small pieces, like 'How they put the train on a barge? Whole at once or wagon by wagon? Where they did it? Which place? How long that took? What about the people inside? And so on... May simply assume that: "YES, it is possible to put a train on a barge, stop thinking about flat shore or exact place!" But at the other hand... Nope, I can't. ;)
Well, at least I would have fun with this case next time when I'll be playing it.