SEQUEL IS MUCH BETTER THAN FIRST ONE?

[heime2003]

im seeing first one is really cheap now
this one is above 10 dolar range
if second one is much better at gameplay, im willing to pay more than 10 dollars
plz answer

[heime2003]

sorry about caps
i didnt know caps were on
if sequel is better, what areas is it better at?

[Mike]

The sequel is more of an extension of the gameplay from the first game with some minor additions. The first game focuses more on individual levels, while the sequel emphasizes a continuous narative. They are very similar, but different enough where I wouldn't say one is better than the other.

Personally I would recommend that you buy the first game and try it out. It's well worth playing, and it will give backstory for the second game if you get the sequel. If you like the first, then you'll probably like the second. $2 for the first game is an absolute steal.

[tim_pkmn89]

You'll get a 25% discount on this one for owning the first one on Steam.

[dq_177]

Is there any carry over between the games?

I already own the first one for the Xbox 360, there's no point to buying it again is there?
I can just buy the sequel on Steam and not miss out on anything.

[Mike]

Originally posted by dq_177:

Is there any carry over between the games?

I already own the first one for the Xbox 360, there's no point to buying it again is there?
I can just buy the sequel on Steam and not miss out on anything.

You can get a few special cameo items for having the first game. I only installed the first game (I played it on PSP/XBLA and bought the PC version to support the series), but that's enough to get the items. They aren't needed for anything (they don't have entries in the gallery), and the stats aren't that great, so not getting them doesn't really hinder the game at all.

[cowbell]

You get a few weapons over time from the save of the last game.
Sequel is so worth it.

[Fangnir]

not better just newer....

[max :)]

No branching paths, tons of boring dialogue... much better than the first huh.

[Garlyle Wilds]

While it's really easy to take a glancing look at the two and see the same game, they're actually drastically different once you get past the surface.

The original is almost more like a puzzle game based around an RPG motif - super short, self-contained stages, all of which can be "solved" to be completed <30 seconds. This is more or less carried on in all its various modes. Its individual stage experience is its strength

The sequel is more like a fully-fledged RPG - a lot more systems and perpetual elements that influence the individual stages and the time between stages, and its stages by design are not meant to be completed in <30 seconds, especially on your first time through. Its holistic, whole-game experience is its strength.

Originally posted by GARMFIELD:

No branching paths, tons of boring dialogue... much better than the first huh.

Brancing routes or no, the first game still has less Hero 30-style stages than The Second Coming does, by a fairly significant margin (53-56 in HMH1, release dependant, compared to 76/83 in HMH2, DLC-dependant). Whether you want to count non-Hero-30 content is up to you.

(Also personally I really appreciate the tongue-in-cheek writing of both games, so the dialogue doesn't bother me in either game - especially since it's all skippable with a button press when you're replaying things).

[dubesor]

Yes the sequel is much better. The core mechanic is of course the same but they addied freeroaming, the connected world, global level and permanent companions. Also much more hidden items, achievements, formations, companions, dungeons... you name it. Overall you will get 4x the playtime out of the second one. I still like the first one though, but this one is just a major improvement.

[PROM]

The wife calls me her half minute hero ;o/

[PROM]

No second coming though

[Akay4444]

I would be hard pressed to say either is better. In my opinion, they're tied. The 1st game is a lot shorter, but it has a lot of replay value and a lot of stuff that kept me coming back to it (keep in mind, I played the PSP version which had a music player you get for beating the game, as well as a gallery of all acquired items, and defeated enemies, which were both taken out of the PC release, but I still play the PC one quite a bit since my PSP is busted), while the 2nd was a lot longer, and a 1st playthrough of it is even more fun that the first game, but the large amount of dialogue and ability to overlevel and annihilate everything made it less fun to play over and over again, unlike the 1st game (although, challenge runs for both are equally fun in my opinion). The first game the levels felt more open, it had an overall wackier and fun story, and the mechanics for replaying levels lets you try over and over again easily. The 2nd one has an overworld to connect the levels, you can create your party and choose your formations, and was a lot more dialogue heavy and story intensive, and felt much more like a normal RPG (although, it's still its own beast). I'd say get the first one (possibly for the PSP), but don't pass the 2nd one up if you didn't like the 1st.

[Garlyle Wilds]

but the large amount of dialogue and ability to overlevel and annihilate everything made it less fun to play over and over again, unlike the 1st game (although, challenge runs for both are equally fun in my opinion).

Actually, I find the second a blast to replay as a speedrun - especially since within a speedrun you really don't get overlevelled. You still have to do some levelling (You'll never beat the first stage of Ragnarok at anything below about level 8/9 for instance) but you absolutely don't feel overpowering.

[Akay4444]

Originally posted by Garlyle Wilds:

but the large amount of dialogue and ability to overlevel and annihilate everything made it less fun to play over and over again, unlike the 1st game (although, challenge runs for both are equally fun in my opinion).

Actually, I find the second a blast to replay as a speedrun - especially since within a speedrun you really don't get overlevelled. You still have to do some levelling (You'll never beat the first stage of Ragnarok at anything below about level 8/9 for instance) but you absolutely don't feel overpowering.

But I found it very easy to get a good amount overleveled, but I've mostly been playing through it for fun, rather than a speedrun or some other type of challenge run. I've been thinking of trying a lowlevel run of the game, but I still haven't gotten around to doing it yet.