Rose?

[Michael]

I've read that she joins you at AG Centre, but she never offered to join my group. I'm pretty upset because I explored everything possible before going there and even finished the area, so I've spent about 15 hours already, and I still don't have any option for her to join me. At first I thought I needed to beat the area, but nothing changed. I've read about other people with the problem, so I guess I'm screwed, but I wanted to see if anyone had any information first. If not, I guess I'll try playing this later as I don't have the patience, time or desire to replay the beginning at the moment.

[LWRabbit]

You ask her about the door codes, and she says she'll only give them to you if she can come along. She says she has a gun, and when you ask her about that, you get the YES/NO choice of her joining you.

[wirednight]

She may now be Charisma locked. What's your Charisma?

[Michael]

Originally posted by LWRabbit:

You ask her about the door codes, and she says she'll only give them to you if she can come along. She says she has a gun, and when you ask her about that, you get the YES/NO choice of her joining you.

I could have sworn she never asked me, as I was reading everything because I was wondering when she'd join. However, maybe I made a mistake; it's impossible to check now as I only have a save after I received the codes.

Originally posted by wirednight:

She may now be Charisma locked. What's your Charisma?

I only have 1 charisma on everyone. I've read that it didn't mater with her in many posts, but I've also seen people who said they couldn't recruit her. So, I'm wondering if it's due to a bug, charisma or something else. It wouldn't be an issue if I could just bump my charisma and get her, but it seems like it simply locks the option of recruiting someone after a certain point? I have no idea.

[wirednight]

I think Rose was always Chr locked, but was at such a small chr needed it didn't matter. They've raised the necessary CHr on some of the other CNPCs so Rose may have been one they raised as well.

Most of the stuff you "read" was from beta and there were a significant amount of changes between beta and live, especially with CNPCs.

[clegane]

Yeah, charisma locked.

You dumped Charisma to '1' on every single character and you're surprised when an NPC doesnt want to join you? Get used to it, I guess. Most of the good ones have charisma restrictions and I expect that even the ones with loose restrictions are still going to deny you the option when you dropped Cha to '1' on every member of your party.

You are indeed, as you said, "screwed." But you "screwed" yourself by taking Charisma as a universal dump stat in a single-player Role Playing Game.

[Michael]

Originally posted by wirednight:

I think Rose was always Chr locked, but was at such a small chr needed it didn't matter. They've raised the necessary CHr on some of the other CNPCs so Rose may have been one they raised as well.

Most of the stuff you "read" was from beta and there were a significant amount of changes between beta and live, especially with CNPCs.

The posts I am referring to are from the release version. However, it's true some of the posts may be people trying to cover up their silly mistakes for whatever reason. I am also unsure why you are stating that the posts would have been from beta as fact. I am not so stupid as to not bother checking the date of the information I am citing when a game has been in beta for over a year.

Originally posted by clegane:

Yeah, charisma locked.

You dumped Charisma to '1' on every single character and you're surprised when an NPC doesn't want to join you? Get used to it, I guess. Most of the good ones have charisma restrictions and I expect that even the ones with loose restrictions are still going to deny you the option when you dropped Cha to '1' on every member of your party.

You are indeed, as you said, "screwed." But you "screwed" yourself by taking Charisma as a universal dump stat in a single-player Role Playing Game. :stunned:

The way I looked at it was, one, as I said above, I read that she could be recruited with no charisma requirement; if that is incorrect or not, I am unsure. Second, as far as we know now, there are NPCs who take over 40 charisma to recruit, and I'm not willing to dump that many points.

Either way, I would suggest that the biggest oversight would be blocking a player from recruiting a NPC at a later time. It wouldn't have been difficult to get a few more charisma and come back, rather than restarting the whole game.

More than pointing fingers at me, because honestly, why? Are there any other players that were able to recruit her with 1 charisma on each character?

[clegane]

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. You paid for the game (I am assuming, though I see that you do not own it on Steam), so you are free to play it in whatever fashion you see fit.

I'm just saying that if the fashion you have chosen is to use Cha as a dump stat so you can get more points for 'combat' attributes, you can hardly complain that the designers locked you out from being able to recruit NPCs. They state flat-out in the tooltip that many conversation options (such as recruitment opportunities) are a one-time chance and if you miss them, you miss them.

In this case, think of it as a first impression. Your deplorable Charisma stat means that no one on earth wants to even be near you. You radiate every sort of negative social characteristic known to humankind. You made a first impression based off of that attribute and, just as in real life, no one is interested in giving you a second chance. Your entire party basically consists of sweaty neckbeards with stained clothes, halitosis, bad attitudes, and soiled toilet paper stuck to their trousers.

So no, I do not think it was a designer oversight to make your first impressions count, especially if you actually dumped the social stat to its lowest possible level. I think your oversight was in assuming that you'd be able to mitigate any possible consequences from basically choosing to pretend that the game's sole 'non-combat' stat didn't exist.

[wirednight]

Originally posted by Michael:

The posts I am referring to are from the release version. However, it's true some of the posts may be people trying to cover up their silly mistakes for whatever reason. I am also unsure why you are stating that the posts would have been from beta as fact. I am not so stupid as to not bother checking the date of the information I am citing when a game has been in beta for over a year.

Because nine times out of ten most of the people posting are posting stuff they learned in Beta thinking it's still gospel. Just today I read a post where someone stated taht attributes weren't a big deal because shrines give attribute points, and that post was dated today.

It's not that the dates were wrong ,or that you're stupid, it's just that a lot of people posting stuff on this forum are posting stuff from beta that's changed since live.

[Cutlass Jack]

Even if you could get Rose with completely ignoring charisma and social skills, you probably wouldn't want her. Even with decent scores she goes rogue alot and that can be a bad bad thing with her special shotgun pistol.

If anything, she's keeping your particular party healthier by not joining. ;)

[Revolucas]

She is not charisma-based. I just tested this with a party with each character having 1 Charisma. I also have Angela Deth who has 2 Charisma.

You must have clicked No when you asked her for the unlock codes.

[clegane]

Originally posted by ๖ۣۜRevolucas:

She is not charisma-based. I just tested this with a party with each character having 1 Charisma. I also have Angela Deth who has 2 Charisma.

You must have clicked No when you asked her for the unlock codes.

Unless she's Charisma locked at 5. Because you've got a Charisma of 6 with the group you just outlined and most Cha-locked npcs are locked in increments of 5. A party of 1-Cha characters who didn't take Angela would only have a total of 4.

[♔ Affable 7th Wave Teaboo ♔]

By dumping all your Charisma you basically rob yourself of 90% of game's companions.
Angela is the only one that does not care if you are charming. You can try to slavage situation a little with spiked collars for the whole team, but that can take you only so far...

[Revolucas]

She is locked at 5 charisma.

[Michael]

Originally posted by ๖ۣۜRevolucas:

She is not charisma-based. I just tested this with a party with each character having 1 Charisma. I also have Angela Deth who has 2 Charisma.

You must have clicked No when you asked her for the unlock codes.

Unless I totally missed it, I have no idea. I'll give a shot starting over and going there before exploring much and see what I can do. Thanks for all the replies. I'll report back.

[PIT_DEFENDER]

jYou are indeed, as you said, "screwed." But you "screwed" yourself by taking Charisma as a universal dump stat in a single-player Role Playing Game.

See the thing is the game didnt explain in the creation menu that you need cahrsima for getting a larger sqad, for new peeps like myself and that guy it aint obvious. I think this shoul dbe changed there, luckly i have loads of charisma :O