A better Fallout than Fo3

[Vanessa]

Basically Van Buren.

[Kuki]

I hope they make the graphics better. The shadows and textures are low quality currently.
After that it will truly be better than Fallout 3

[Fett's Rancor]

Least we forget that Fallout was originally suppose to be a game that was based off the pen and paper game called GURPS. But when Steve Jackson saw how violent the game was that was being made with his system he pulled the license away from Interplay. So they just reworked the story, the game system, and called it Fallout.

[Damien]

Hope the cowboys stay the rugged individual survivalists who try to fix whats broken, take care of what they got and try to improve on their holdings. Salvage, preserve what old world tech they can use and would find hard to reproduce.

The Amish are an example of the work ethic to work hard but smart, all day everyday, and build on what you have. Build or grow your own and take care of it, let nothing go to waste. Farmer, cowboy, Amish, survivalists, grow your food, the stuff to make clothing, boots, leather goods. Weave, sew, use or trade.

Wasteland is a great chance to do Fallout better, more immersive, more realistic, less cartoon. Fallout is still a lot of fun but near 20 years later your expectation of what is believable and realistic in an NPC changes.

How hard or expensive would it be to add more bird and insect sounds outside? Bugs flying by, breeze rustling leaves, rodents scurrying about, maybe in abandoned derelict buildings too, have them silent when danger close.

[randir14]

Originally posted by Kuki:

I hope they make the graphics better. The shadows and textures are low quality currently.
After that it will truly be better than Fallout 3

Wasteland 2 already has better shadows than Fallout 3.

[Centisteed]

Originally posted by Mortalus:

Least we forget that Fallout was originally suppose to be a game that was based off the pen and paper game called GURPS. But when Steve Jackson saw how violent the game was that was being made with his system he pulled the license away from Interplay. So they just reworked the story, the game system, and called it Fallout.

I still remember seeing the ads for GURPS Fallout in PC Gamer (or Computer Gaming World). I always look at SJ Games removal of their name from the system as the biggest mistake ever in their decisions as a gaming company. I love GURPS & 4E is an excellent release. Too bad it was over-shadowed for stubbornly keeping itself out of the video games market.

But back on topic. I always lamented there wasn't a Van Buren dam near 14 years ago. I'm glad that some people got off their duffs & went back to the classic RPG gaming view of the 90s. You know when NWN came out & I had so much fun with it, I was really annoyed when they sort of made it go away...it's like: why mess with success? A decade or so later, people come to their senses.

[Baron Spaghetti]

Yes, but FO3 had greater visability with console gamers.

Sadly, it IS an RPG for them.

Those kind of games went away because of ability for console gamers to play those kind of games and it is just much easier for them to play FPSs with skill trees and inventory.

It is what it is.

I really wish Fallout 3 (ala Van Buren) and Baldur's Gate 3 (Never liked Neverwinter) would have happeneed...but we didn't get those.

If this sparks a reinerest then so be it.

[GendoSan / Enki]

well...there were many thousands of people who requested a fallout conversion for oblivion - so they made "the wastelandscolls - falllivion". it was funny (sometimes too funny), but could not transport the "what a bad day!" feeling i associate with FA...

[Nighnmm]

how exactly is it better than fo3. Fallout 3 can't even be compared to wasteland 2. Fallout 3 sold almost 5 million copies and countless awards. I think the world would agree your wrong and you should jump off a 10 story building head first.

[randir14]

Originally posted by Gwaksoup:

how exactly is it better than fo3. Fallout 3 can't even be compared to wasteland 2. Fallout 3 sold almost 5 million copies and countless awards. I think the world would agree your wrong and you should jump off a 10 story building head first.

"How can music on the radio suck? If it sucked it wouldn't be on the radio!"

[Damien]

FO 3 was cutting edge how many years ago? And all of us have aged and grown, nothing wrong with WL 2 and hopefully WL 3 reflecting the changes in tech and maturity of it's fans. We are not fantasizing a paralleled universe stuck in the 50 very few of us ever knew. The missions, goals and game WL 2 are more realistic and mature, characters act more like survivors act all over the real world.

Less romanticizing living in squalor, so far no medical impossibilities like the ghouls of Fall Out rotting, near dead but near immortal. That was 1950s 1960s low budget sci-fi writing aimed at children and teens, by adults who had grown up in the depression and world war 2 and could only imagine how a sheltered 'baby boom' child might understand the modern world. People who found science and technology moving so fast they could not keep up with it, hold a job and also raise a family at the same time.

From Lost in Space to Voyage to the bottom of the Sea the first pilot episodes, the first season were aimed at adults and then 'dumbed down' for children. Twilight zone and outer limits were for adults and considered too intense and scary for children. Star trek was sci-fi considered too cerebral for most adults and too expensive to produce. It took Star Wars to prove sci-fi did not have the be like the half hour to an hour Saturday morning cartoons of the time.

Look at sci-fi now. Waste Lands could and should be to Fall Out what movies like Batman were to the comic book stories that inspired them.

[Fett's Rancor]

There is a simple reason here why video game companies, or a more apt thing to blame is the current console gamers, are dumbing down their games. And Fallout was just one casualty of this. There was a statistic done not to long ago that showed that 90% of the people who never played Super Mario Brothers, and most of this demographic was made up of mostly younger people who never played on the Nintendo 8-bit, couldn't even get past the first stage of the game with out asking for help. I think this says a lot about the mind set of consile gamers today. Which sort of bleeds over into computer gaming now because for companies to stay competative they need be able to reach the lowest common denominator. To me this is slightly sad.

[Damien]

If you compare with early animated cartoons of the 30s, 40s, 50s even 60s. Popeye, Rocky and Bull Winkle, Tom and Jerry, the looney tunes Bugs Bunny, etc.adults could enjoy them with or with out their children, then for years they were just for children.
Not hard to make characters more realistic, allow those with weaponsmith, mechanic, field strip abilities to salvage all weapons and armor of dead, as loot. Provide credible beast of burden (preferably four or six legged mech that can a load like a pick up or dually truck) to carry supplies and gear through a south west desert.
Rangers are not extortionists like red scorpions, they rely on donations and salvage. Do the math, that is not a few back packs per patrol.

[Humpypants]

fallout 1 and 2*

Fallout 3 isnt comparable. It's a whole new category and level above this

[Nighnmm]

f03 can be hard or it can be easy depending on how you play it i suppose. I don't think a genius mind is required for this game either. I just prefer seeing post apocolyptic world in first person 3d. Rpg's like this can get repetative, f03 brought the best of both worlds not limiting to one style of play....MORE FREEEEEEDOOOOMM....sry i watched braveheart last nite.

[Sheytanaslan]

Great read. 1+

Originally posted by Damien:

FO 3 was cutting edge how many years ago? And all of us have aged and grown, nothing wrong with WL 2 and hopefully WL 3 reflecting the changes in tech and maturity of it's fans. We are not fantasizing a paralleled universe stuck in the 50 very of us ever knew. The missions and goals and game are more realistic and mature, characters act more like survivors act all over the real world.

Less romanticizing living in squalor, so far no medical impossibilities like the ghouls of Fall Out rotting, near dead but near immortal. That was 1950s 1960s low budget sci-fi writing aimed at children and teens, by adults who had grown up in the depression and world war 2 and could only imagine how a sheltered 'baby boom' child might understand the modern world. People who found science and technology moving so fast they could not keep up with it, hold a job and also raise a family at the same time.

From Lost in Space to Voyage to the bottom of the Sea the first pilot episodes, the first season were aimed at adults and then 'dumbed down' for children. Twilight zone and outer limits were for adults and considered too intense and scary for children. Star trek was sci-fi considered too cerebral for most adults and too expensive to produce. It took Star Wars to prove sci-fi did not have the be like the half hour to an hour Saturday morning cartoons of the time.

Look at sci-fi now. Waste Lands could and should be to Fall Out what movies like Batman were to the comic book stories that inspired them.