its like my 2 all time favorite games had a baby

[Arcadian Del Sol]

first pc game I ever played was Wasteland on my Commodore 64. My two favorite games of all time have been Xcom and Jagged Alliance.

This game looks like someone combined all three and said, "hey Arcadian - we made this just for you."

After what happened to Fallout, it is so refreshing to see a group of developers and designers take a 'dont fix what isn't broken' approach to game design and just improve upon games that got it so perfectly right decades ago. When Doom and Hexen came out, its like the industry decided to abandon deep story-rich gaming that had become the standard.

Games like this and Xcom: Enemy Unknown represent our 2nd chance: we need to support these games to prove that every game doesn't need to be another zombie COD clone with 5 minutes worth of story.

[randir14]

Speaking of XCOM, you should check out the Long War mod if you haven't already. It makes the gameplay much deeper (and also harder). Even the game's lead designer endorsed it.

[FilterDecay]

Ive got 7 hours into this and I stopped because it was good enough I wanted to wait for the final. If they can maintain that beginning aspect throughout ♥♥♥♥ yes. I felt like I was young again.

[MoNKeZi]

Oprindeligt skrevet af randir14:

Speaking of XCOM, you should check out the Long War mod if you haven't already. It makes the gameplay much deeper (and also harder). Even the game's lead designer endorsed it.

Is that a mod for the new XCOM?

[ArchAngel]

Don't get too excited, the tactical combat in WL2 is nowhere near as good as Xcom and especially JA2.

And for recent games with actual good tactical combat check out Xenonauts. It is UFO remake, a really good one, better than Xcom from 2012.

[Arcadian Del Sol]

how would you compare it to Shadowrun Returns? I consider that one 'tactical light' but still enjoyed it.

[Zaik]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Monkezi:

Oprindeligt skrevet af randir14:

Speaking of XCOM, you should check out the Long War mod if you haven't already. It makes the gameplay much deeper (and also harder). Even the game's lead designer endorsed it.

Is that a mod for the new XCOM?

There's a "complete" version for Enemy Unknown, but they are working on an Enemy Within version as well, yeah. I never played the EU version but the EW one is almost like an entirely different game at this point, it's so much better.

[randir14]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Agent Luthardt:

how would you compare it to Shadowrun Returns? I consider that one 'tactical light' but still enjoyed it.

It's very similar since both games have cover systems and use action points. As far as combat depth I would say they're about even. Shadowrun has more combat related abilities, but Wasteland 2 has various different status effects that can happen as a result of combat (concussions, broken bones, etc.)

[ArchAngel]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Agent Luthardt:

how would you compare it to Shadowrun Returns? I consider that one 'tactical light' but still enjoyed it.

Shadowrun has a more complex combat system, but that is mostly due to access to spells. If that can be an excuse. Xcom and JA don't have spells but have better combat.
Shadowrun also has better level design and more challening encounters.

[Tang60]

Your comparing W2 which is in beta and you've only played half of the game to finished games . With that said I love the combate on W2 and can't wait for the release.

[ArchAngel]

Since they already said combat will not be improved in WL2 and this is what we will get in release, we can compare combat with finished games.
I am not even going to try to compare it with D:OS, as that game is on whole other level than WL2.

[Arcadian Del Sol]

say what you will, but I am still just as excited for this game's release as i was when I started the thread.

Because I am completely positive that the combat system in WL2 will be much better than having no WL2 in the first place. This game doesn't have to be perfect. It just needs to massage my nostalgia while giving me a rich world full of interesting characters to enjoy.

And this time, I'll be sure to write down anystupid bomb disarm codes - I owe that to the mayor and his dead wife.

I should have saved her.