(spoilers) Am I the only one bewildered at the ending.

[ShadowlessNexus]

Like. We have this whole story about survival in a dead world, slavery, exploitation of religion, these strange physical flesh robot beings, betrayals, intrigue... and then it all devolves into a big stone statue. a purple eye of sauron who says "oh yea im the necro guy sup" and says **NOTHING ELSE** and then charon who's just there.

They dont answer anything at all. Why did you make the necros? what exactly are you trying to achieve with evolution? why is elysium torturing people supposedly? why even bother with people? you said you gave up on them. why are you there actively trying to ♥♥♥♥ with ev everybody then? What is the point of the tree exactly? what is mud? why is it eating all the minerals?

I'm aware theres a fair bit of lore in the notes. I read a lot of the notes. Unless that stuff was **super** well hidden I didn't see basically anything about the necros except for one mention where they say the necros are fighting the church because of "disagreements over the path of evolution."

The end of the game feels like they had kojima come in and design a scene for them but they only gave him about 2 hours to write a story and then they just used that with no modifications. It feels like such a ridiculous tonal shift. And then its just over. You don't get to see anything. Does arissa even leave the world? charon just takes something from your arissa's chest after you win the fight.. is that her nucleous? I don't get any of this. The boss fights felt like the hugest dissapointment. They were braindead easy for my sorta tanky strength build. I should have probably died because I was barely even able to pay attention to the fights in my confusion. It felt like a huge bait and switch.

Idk man. Soured the whole game for me personally.


I just wanted to add since everybody seems to think "Oh he just didnt read enough lore."

No. Your missing the whole point. My problem here is that the game spends its entire playtime building up hype for this confrontation with the ai gods. It gives you breadcrumbs. and has twists like people being tortured in elysium. and the reveal of the tree and necros being just a really weird robot.

And then it puts you right in front of the three gods on a stage. as if you know.. your gonna get some interesting exposition.. .or be able to ask questions. or have something happen.. and they threw away the whole opportunity they just spent all this time building up to. in addition to that. the aether and charon boss fights were bizzare, weak, and way too easy following loskid. It was a let down. I'm not "confused" I'm just dissapointed. I don't need them to spend 2 hours explaining the lore to me. I just wanted something interesting.

Going into "oh their gods so whatever" is silly. Cause. They literally aren't. It's just ai and robots. And also. This is a video game. What are you talking about?

[ShadowlessNexus]

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basically theres not really any difference. it just makes it seem a bit more negative but nothing really interesting happens either way. Which is my problem. Like I've repeated a lot. I dont want "answers" I just wish something happened of interest. Maybe have them go on some bs tirade about ai superiority.. or have them say "no you don't understand there are greater things at risk." and maybe hint at something.

I wanted. *something* and I feel like instead we got *nothing.* like. Having some narrative that was interesting. If they did that. regardless of any answers. I would have been satisfied with that. But It feels like they just gave up and didn't even try at the end. Especially with the boss fights themselves. Aether was a goofy aah boss fight. And charon was weak and boring. Following the really cool and satisfying (to me) loskid fight.

Imo it would have been out of character for the three AI to even bother explaining anything to you. Even when you beat them, they speak to you and about you with a tone of such condescending arrogance. You rejected their offer, so now they don't care to explain anything to you. Likely the only reason they didn't just sever your connection to the Branch and kill you is you just proved that they couldn't if they tried.

Everybody is so obsessed with the idea that me wanting something interesting means I want them to all spend 5+ mins on an essay on what they did and why. Why do you think that's what I meant? Yes I said the necro leader shows up says "yo I'm necro" and doesnt say anything else. That was to the point that.. He doesnt say **anything at all**. why cant he like. idk. Maybe say something interesting that defines his character a bit more than "oh hey my necros exist" and then nothing else at all? WHy not have him display his character a bit more. He had no dialogue at all. It's boring. We didn't even fight a necro final boss. The last necro you fight is persephone. and she was boring easy. Why not have a super big necro boss. why doesnt the necro boss want to test you at all? ANd yet he's totally chill with you leading him??? How is *that* in character tell me?

Sorry I pressed enter by accident and didnt get to add everything.

[Tsaalyo]

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Imo it would have been out of character for the three AI to even bother explaining anything to you. Even when you beat them, they speak to you and about you with a tone of such condescending arrogance. You rejected their offer, so now they don't care to explain anything to you. Likely the only reason they didn't just sever your connection to the Branch and kill you is you just proved that they couldn't if they tried.

Everybody is so obsessed with the idea that me wanting something interesting means I want them to all spend 5+ mins on an essay on what they did and why. Why do you think that's what I meant? Yes I said the necro leader shows up says "yo I'm necro" and doesnt say anything else. That was to the point that.. He doesnt say **anything at all**. why cant he like. idk. Maybe say something interesting that defines his character a bit more than "oh hey my necros exist" and then nothing else at all? WHy not have him display his character a bit more. He had no dialogue at all. It's boring. We didn't even fight a necro final boss. The last necro you fight is persephone. and she was boring easy. Why not have a super big necro boss. why doesnt the necro boss want to test you at all? ANd yet he's totally chill with you leading him??? How is *that* in character tell me?

Sorry I pressed enter by accident and didnt get to add everything.

I'm reminded of a quote from The Mothman Prophecies: You're more advanced than a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to one of them?

Either he thought that you wouldn't understand what he had to say, or more likely, he thought himself so above you that it wouldn't be worth his time to say anything to you. I understand you'd have been more entertained if he said more, but I don't think it's a problem that he didn't say more. It's in character. The three AI care so little about you, they nearly wiped out all life on Earth just to run their little thought experiments. I can understand why he just left without a word after you win. To him, you're just the mold on a slice of bread he wanted. You ruined his day, so now he's done with you. You don't explain who you are to the moldy bread, you throw it out and walk away.

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One thing worth mentioning, the entire goal of the Tree project was for a Blader to integrate human emotions, something only you, the player, accomplished.

Nyx is ok with you leading as you are the only one considered as the true path of their evolution, Aether failed and stagnated and the Necros barely accomplished much themselves, plus Aether sided with Charon on your abilities.

[ShadowlessNexus]

These arguments while interesting are still avoiding the point of it simply being boring to have an entire faction within the game be reduced down to a single line of dialogue pretty much with nothing interesting going on.