(spoilers) Am I the only one bewildered at the ending.

[ShadowlessNexus]

Like. We have this whole story about survival in a dead world, slavery, exploitation of religion, these strange physical flesh robot beings, betrayals, intrigue... and then it all devolves into a big stone statue. a purple eye of sauron who says "oh yea im the necro guy sup" and says **NOTHING ELSE** and then charon who's just there.

They dont answer anything at all. Why did you make the necros? what exactly are you trying to achieve with evolution? why is elysium torturing people supposedly? why even bother with people? you said you gave up on them. why are you there actively trying to ♥♥♥♥ with ev everybody then? What is the point of the tree exactly? what is mud? why is it eating all the minerals?

I'm aware theres a fair bit of lore in the notes. I read a lot of the notes. Unless that stuff was **super** well hidden I didn't see basically anything about the necros except for one mention where they say the necros are fighting the church because of "disagreements over the path of evolution."

The end of the game feels like they had kojima come in and design a scene for them but they only gave him about 2 hours to write a story and then they just used that with no modifications. It feels like such a ridiculous tonal shift. And then its just over. You don't get to see anything. Does arissa even leave the world? charon just takes something from your arissa's chest after you win the fight.. is that her nucleous? I don't get any of this. The boss fights felt like the hugest dissapointment. They were braindead easy for my sorta tanky strength build. I should have probably died because I was barely even able to pay attention to the fights in my confusion. It felt like a huge bait and switch.

Idk man. Soured the whole game for me personally.


I just wanted to add since everybody seems to think "Oh he just didnt read enough lore."

No. Your missing the whole point. My problem here is that the game spends its entire playtime building up hype for this confrontation with the ai gods. It gives you breadcrumbs. and has twists like people being tortured in elysium. and the reveal of the tree and necros being just a really weird robot.

And then it puts you right in front of the three gods on a stage. as if you know.. your gonna get some interesting exposition.. .or be able to ask questions. or have something happen.. and they threw away the whole opportunity they just spent all this time building up to. in addition to that. the aether and charon boss fights were bizzare, weak, and way too easy following loskid. It was a let down. I'm not "confused" I'm just dissapointed. I don't need them to spend 2 hours explaining the lore to me. I just wanted something interesting.

Going into "oh their gods so whatever" is silly. Cause. They literally aren't. It's just ai and robots. And also. This is a video game. What are you talking about?

[Tsaalyo]

To put it simply: evolution was the three AI/gods' goal in and of itself. They didn't want to stagnate, they wanted to continue progressing and evolving, however they define that. All their actions were a means to do that. Every action the three AI/gods took, and every decision they made, was all an attempt to find a way to break through their evolutionary plateau (their 'limit', which I assume is the meaning behind the game's name AI Limit) and continue on.

The other posters here have explained it in better detail, but that's the short version. If you find yourself perplexed by any specific action that the AI/gods took, just keep in mind their ultimate goal. Evolution. It was all a means to that end.

[Doraver]

I agree that I wanted a bit more lore about Church and Void, but overall think I get the idea.
They are "gods". All three of them created their own projects searching for someone to ascend into godhood by dealing with the struggles and lead them forward. They don't care how long it would take, don't care what would happen with the planet, they don't even care who it would be. I'd bet they would accept Adrammelech or Loskid or anyone, no matter the morals, they were just not good enough.

But yeah, I wish we get DLC about them. There is also their boss somewhere they mention in dialogue, who doesn't even do anything? I wonder why do they nead a "leader" when they already have someone above them. So many questions, but I love it

[Ecchi_Hayate]

Do you have a unique concept of Gods? If you have some idealized concept of God/s, it might be hard for you to accept the outcome the game has given.

Try thinking of Gods as another human, who can simply act on a whim. Except that this 'whim' is evolution. Everything they do is to break out of the stagnation of being 'God', they want to be more than 'God'. Every action they take is just trying to evolve, no matter how whimsical it may seem to you.

They lost to Arrisa, and conceded like good losers. (on true end) Nothing weird or anything. Nyx do attack the church when Aether goes overboard (as per the invasion in the tips section).

They are just friends making sure nobody goes overboard so there are paths available for evolution.

[message2god]

Strangly this 3 gods thing sounds like the 3 gods in the 90s anime Tenchi muyo!

The 3 gods of universe at the peak of their existance wanted to create something that supass them and they go seperate ways to do it.

One of them tries to use science, one of them uses destruction, and one of them uses life as a means for breakthrough.

Funny enough, the one that uses life as a means is tree based. Producers are probally kids from the 90s don't you think?

[watcherofanime935]

Uhhh. Honestly a pretty solid critic. There is a decent lil amount of info scattered about. I think the main issue is that there wasn't enough to fill in some contexts. Like to an extent leave it mysterious, sure. But some of the notes and lore could be overall improved. I did read about nyx and aether as i played. I think most people complaining about your post just can't really handle much constructive criticism. Let'em mald.

[Tsaalyo]

I think an underrated note is one we find early/midway through, about how virtual reality entertainment was briefly a big business. It's implied heavily that Elysium is just virtual reality, and it's confirmed towards the end where all the residents of Elysium are just shimmering avatars in a fake forest. Pilgrims, once hooked up, could either be given simulated paradise, or be tortured until their consciousness faded into nothing. Or, perhaps both were simultaneously true. Maybe the people being shown a fake paradise reality were subconsciously suffering, knowing deep down that it was all a lie. All as a means to the end of testing the human mind and finding a way to evolve, through the study of joy and suffering.

Honestly, this is the kind of story you need to sit and think on. It's really interesting.

[WildCard65 the Waifu Card]

There is a youtube video going into great details about the game's story, both past and present.

[ShadowlessNexus]

Originally posted by WildCard65 the Waifu Card:

There is a youtube video going into great details about the game's story, both past and present.

You did not read more than like. 3 words of my post. I even added a section spelling it out. but you didn't read it did you.

[De_faulty]

I think it fits well with the theme the game is trying to go for. The AIs who have essentially ascended to godhood, don’t care about anything except themselves. They’ve created this war between church, necros and bladers for the sake of ascending even higher at the detriment and suffering of everyone beneath them. Essentially an analogy of those in power not caring how many people suffer and die for them to achieve their goals.

It’s reflected in a lesser extent within Addremalech, the doctor guy, who could’ve been a force for good with his knowledge, but decided to screw everyone over for his own personal ambitions.

The 3 gods care so little about you, so little about humanity that they won’t even muster up the breath to explain themselves. I mean, would you muster up the effort to explain to ants why you’re exterminating them?

I guess there’s a reason why Charon couldn’t take you by force, and needed your full conscient. But you were determined to fight for what you believe in (rebuilding humanity and Earth if you went for the true ending), hence why you had that whole talk about determination with Loskid

[ShadowlessNexus]

Originally posted by De_faulty:

I think it fits well with the theme the game is trying to go for. The AIs who have essentially ascended to godhood, don’t care about anything except themselves. They’ve created this war between church, necros and bladers for the sake of ascending even higher at the detriment and suffering of everyone beneath them. Essentially an analogy of those in power not caring how many people suffer and die for them to achieve their goals.

It’s reflected in a lesser extent within Addremalech, the doctor guy, who could’ve been a force for good with his knowledge, but decided to screw everyone over for his own personal ambitions.

The 3 gods care so little about you, so little about humanity that they won’t even muster up the breath to explain themselves. I mean, would you muster up the effort to explain to ants why you’re exterminating them?

I guess there’s a reason why Charon couldn’t take you by force, and needed your full conscient. But you were determined to fight for what you believe in (rebuilding humanity and Earth if you went for the true ending), hence why you had that whole talk about determination with Loskid

I agree with that in itself. But it doesnt make a satisfying narrative conclusion. They can still convey that in an interesting way. It's still a game. Also they clearly care. They wan't you to go and lead them in the ai space. I feel like logically. THey would be more willing to try and convince you to do so in a way rather than just being like "yo come lead us plz thx" with basically no words. Nyx doesn't even say a single word to you directly.

[Tenshu]

Originally posted by message2god:

Strangly this 3 gods thing sounds like the 3 gods in the 90s anime Tenchi muyo!

The 3 gods of universe at the peak of their existance wanted to create something that supass them and they go seperate ways to do it.

One of them tries to use science, one of them uses destruction, and one of them uses life as a means for breakthrough.

Funny enough, the one that uses life as a means is tree based. Producers are probally kids from the 90s don't you think?

I figured since this is a Chinese made game, they were actually a reference to the Sanxing.

[De_faulty]

Originally posted by ShadowlessNexus:

Originally posted by De_faulty:

I think it fits well with the theme the game is trying to go for. The AIs who have essentially ascended to godhood, don’t care about anything except themselves. They’ve created this war between church, necros and bladers for the sake of ascending even higher at the detriment and suffering of everyone beneath them. Essentially an analogy of those in power not caring how many people suffer and die for them to achieve their goals.

It’s reflected in a lesser extent within Addremalech, the doctor guy, who could’ve been a force for good with his knowledge, but decided to screw everyone over for his own personal ambitions.

The 3 gods care so little about you, so little about humanity that they won’t even muster up the breath to explain themselves. I mean, would you muster up the effort to explain to ants why you’re exterminating them?

I guess there’s a reason why Charon couldn’t take you by force, and needed your full conscient. But you were determined to fight for what you believe in (rebuilding humanity and Earth if you went for the true ending), hence why you had that whole talk about determination with Loskid

I agree with that in itself. But it doesnt make a satisfying narrative conclusion. They can still convey that in an interesting way. It's still a game. Also they clearly care. They wan't you to go and lead them in the ai space. I feel like logically. THey would be more willing to try and convince you to do so in a way rather than just being like "yo come lead us plz thx" with basically no words. Nyx doesn't even say a single word to you directly.

I don't know what the ending is if you accept to join them, but in the end, I don't think there's a suitable justification for what they are doing.
They no doubt know you're attached to humans, just like Asteria. Hence why Nyx fights you rather than try and convince you. Trying to make you give up through repeated death (if only she was actually a harder boss) rather than through words because they know there's nothing that they could say to convince you that a world-ending massacre was worth it.

In the end, I don't really mind. Not every mystery or plot thread needs to be explained and can be up to interpretation.

[ShadowlessNexus]

Originally posted by De_faulty:

Originally posted by ShadowlessNexus:

I agree with that in itself. But it doesnt make a satisfying narrative conclusion. They can still convey that in an interesting way. It's still a game. Also they clearly care. They wan't you to go and lead them in the ai space. I feel like logically. THey would be more willing to try and convince you to do so in a way rather than just being like "yo come lead us plz thx" with basically no words. Nyx doesn't even say a single word to you directly.

I don't know what the ending is if you accept to join them, but in the end, I don't think there's a suitable justification for what they are doing.
They no doubt know you're attached to humans, just like Asteria. Hence why Nyx fights you rather than try and convince you. Trying to make you give up through repeated death (if only she was actually a harder boss) rather than through words because they know there's nothing that they could say to convince you that a world-ending massacre was worth it.

In the end, I don't really mind. Not every mystery or plot thread needs to be explained and can be up to interpretation.

basically theres not really any difference. it just makes it seem a bit more negative but nothing really interesting happens either way. Which is my problem. Like I've repeated a lot. I dont want "answers" I just wish something happened of interest. Maybe have them go on some bs tirade about ai superiority.. or have them say "no you don't understand there are greater things at risk." and maybe hint at something.

I wanted. *something* and I feel like instead we got *nothing.* like. Having some narrative that was interesting. If they did that. regardless of any answers. I would have been satisfied with that. But It feels like they just gave up and didn't even try at the end. Especially with the boss fights themselves. Aether was a goofy aah boss fight. And charon was weak and boring. Following the really cool and satisfying (to me) loskid fight.

[Tsaalyo]

Originally posted by ShadowlessNexus:

Originally posted by De_faulty:

I don't know what the ending is if you accept to join them, but in the end, I don't think there's a suitable justification for what they are doing.
They no doubt know you're attached to humans, just like Asteria. Hence why Nyx fights you rather than try and convince you. Trying to make you give up through repeated death (if only she was actually a harder boss) rather than through words because they know there's nothing that they could say to convince you that a world-ending massacre was worth it.

In the end, I don't really mind. Not every mystery or plot thread needs to be explained and can be up to interpretation.

basically theres not really any difference. it just makes it seem a bit more negative but nothing really interesting happens either way. Which is my problem. Like I've repeated a lot. I dont want "answers" I just wish something happened of interest. Maybe have them go on some bs tirade about ai superiority.. or have them say "no you don't understand there are greater things at risk." and maybe hint at something.

I wanted. *something* and I feel like instead we got *nothing.* like. Having some narrative that was interesting. If they did that. regardless of any answers. I would have been satisfied with that. But It feels like they just gave up and didn't even try at the end. Especially with the boss fights themselves. Aether was a goofy aah boss fight. And charon was weak and boring. Following the really cool and satisfying (to me) loskid fight.

Imo it would have been out of character for the three AI to even bother explaining anything to you. Even when you beat them, they speak to you and about you with a tone of such condescending arrogance. You rejected their offer, so now they don't care to explain anything to you. Likely the only reason they didn't just sever your connection to the Branch and kill you is you just proved that they couldn't if they tried.

[ItsRikoVR]

the ending made me go "that was boring as ♥♥♥♥" 👍