Denuvo?

[Prosecutor Lurker]

How long does Capcom keep Denuvo on their games on steam? It's been 5 months and Apollo Justice collection still doesn't have it removed.

[CheeseBoar]

Capcom usually keeps Denuvo for six months for re-releases of older games. I would expect to see it get removed by the end of July, if they keep following their usual pattern. As soon as that happens, I'll be buying it, same with this AAI compilation.

[Getsuga]

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Capcom usually keeps Denuvo for six months for re-releases of older games. I would expect to see it get removed by the end of July, if they keep following their usual pattern. As soon as that happens, I'll be buying it, same with this AAI compilation.

Man, I hope you're right! I'd love to have the Apollo Collection + this collection on PC (I played all the games on 3DS), but I won't buy it with Denuvo cancer in it.

[CheeseBoar]

Originally posted by Getsuga:

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Capcom usually keeps Denuvo for six months for re-releases of older games. I would expect to see it get removed by the end of July, if they keep following their usual pattern. As soon as that happens, I'll be buying it, same with this AAI compilation.

Man, I hope you're right! I'd love to have the Apollo Collection + this collection on PC (I played all the games on 3DS), but I won't buy it with Denuvo cancer in it. :angry_creep:

I also have the entire series on the DS/3DS, including AAI 2, but I'll happily grab them again on the PC after Denuvo is gone; I've already done that with the first two compilations.

[Fenlix]

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Capcom usually keeps Denuvo for six months for re-releases of older games. I would expect to see it get removed by the end of July, if they keep following their usual pattern. As soon as that happens, I'll be buying it, same with this AAI compilation.

So...Is Enigma not as bad as people was making it out to be?

[CheeseBoar]

Originally posted by Fenlix:

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Capcom usually keeps Denuvo for six months for re-releases of older games. I would expect to see it get removed by the end of July, if they keep following their usual pattern. As soon as that happens, I'll be buying it, same with this AAI compilation.

So...Is Enigma not as bad as people was making it out to be?

I can only speak for myself, but personally, I don't think it is. Enigma seems to have been created specifically to stop modding, and it's been ineffective in doing so, so I don't even know why Capcom keeps putting it into everything. Enigma also doesn't tie a game to a server the way Denuvo does, so if Capcom absolutely needs to have their placebo DRM, then Enigma is a much better choice than Denuvo, because Enigma isn't going to tell you that you can't play what you've already paid for the way Denuvo will.

I've read that depending on your specs, Enigma can affect performance, but I haven't experienced that in any game myself, so I can't really speak on those claims. All I know is that Enigma doesn't manage my digital right to play the game, so I'm okay with having games that use it (even though, like all DRM, it's completely unnecessary and they really shouldn't be adding it to their old releases, because why even make that kind of an effort at this point).

[SpiderClone7]

I still don't understand why they feel the need to add DRM to single player visual novels.

[CheeseBoar]

Originally posted by Alpha_Spider_Parker:

I still don't understand why they feel the need to add DRM to single player visual novels.

There's absolutely no reason for DRM in anything, so it's unfortunate that companies keep doing it. But at least Capcom regularly removes Denuvo.

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Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Originally posted by Fenlix:

So...Is Enigma not as bad as people was making it out to be?

I can only speak for myself, but personally, I don't think it is. Enigma seems to have been created specifically to stop modding, and it's been ineffective in doing so, so I don't even know why Capcom keeps putting it into everything. Enigma also doesn't tie a game to a server the way Denuvo does, so if Capcom absolutely needs to have their placebo DRM, then Enigma is a much better choice than Denuvo, because Enigma isn't going to tell you that you can't play what you've already paid for the way Denuvo will.

I've read that depending on your specs, Enigma can affect performance, but I haven't experienced that in any game myself, so I can't really speak on those claims. All I know is that Enigma doesn't manage my digital right to play the game, so I'm okay with having games that use it (even though, like all DRM, it's completely unnecessary and they really shouldn't be adding it to their old releases, because why even make that kind of an effort at this point).

Enigma is a black box. For all we know, it can be gathering telemetrics for the Russians and nobody would know, considering Enigma is made by an odious piece of filth for a human not disclosing his records upfront.

[Stan]

Originally posted by Getsuga:

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Capcom usually keeps Denuvo for six months for re-releases of older games. I would expect to see it get removed by the end of July, if they keep following their usual pattern. As soon as that happens, I'll be buying it, same with this AAI compilation.

Man, I hope you're right! I'd love to have the Apollo Collection + this collection on PC (I played all the games on 3DS), but I won't buy it with Denuvo cancer in it. :angry_creep:

Well don't worry, i purchase it so you don't have to.

[JonPringus]

Reminder that if you hate Denuvo, you're suffereing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.[www.pcgamingwiki.com]
DRM can always be more end user friendly, of course. But really, so long as you maintain your emotional attachment to steam, you can't complain about genuinely unintrusive DRM in the games you """buy""".
Steam forums are a dangerous bed for misinformation to spread. (Especially when it comes to DRM with a lack of documentation, like how verifiable lies about Enigma were spread here last year)(obviously undocumented DRM is an issue, but misinformation is far worse.) The steam forums should be removed, because the last group of people that need a voice are steam users.

[Miraglyth]

Denuvo's need for a phone-home are not FUD, Denuvo has locked buyers out of their games multiple times by this point, and several games have essentially become abandonware without removing it.

But everyone saying Capcom has a good record of removing it is correct. I bought the Battle Network collection on its launch out of confidence after I reviewed Capcom's track record, and it was removed in a very timely fashion. There's no need to worry about a game being artificially rendered unplayable 3+ years in the future when it won't have Denuvo then.

I don't see any reason not to buy this collection even with Denuvo. Capcom have earned trust on this one.

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by JonPringus:

Reminder that if you hate Denuvo, you're suffereing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.[www.pcgamingwiki.com]
DRM can always be more end user friendly, of course. But really, so long as you maintain your emotional attachment to steam, you can't complain about genuinely unintrusive DRM in the games you """buy""".
Steam forums are a dangerous bed for misinformation to spread. (Especially when it comes to DRM with a lack of documentation, like how verifiable lies about Enigma were spread here last year)(obviously undocumented DRM is an issue, but misinformation is far worse.) The steam forums should be removed, because the last group of people that need a voice are steam users.

100% agree with this

[CheeseBoar]

Originally posted by JonPringus:

Reminder that if you hate Denuvo, you're suffereing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.[www.pcgamingwiki.com]
DRM can always be more end user friendly, of course. But really, so long as you maintain your emotional attachment to steam, you can't complain about genuinely unintrusive DRM in the games you """buy""".
Steam forums are a dangerous bed for misinformation to spread. (Especially when it comes to DRM with a lack of documentation, like how verifiable lies about Enigma were spread here last year)(obviously undocumented DRM is an issue, but misinformation is far worse.) The steam forums should be removed, because the last group of people that need a voice are steam users.

There's nothing uncertain about Denuvo games being stupidly server-dependent

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Originally posted by JonPringus:

Reminder that if you hate Denuvo, you're suffereing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.[www.pcgamingwiki.com]
DRM can always be more end user friendly, of course. But really, so long as you maintain your emotional attachment to steam, you can't complain about genuinely unintrusive DRM in the games you """buy""".
Steam forums are a dangerous bed for misinformation to spread. (Especially when it comes to DRM with a lack of documentation, like how verifiable lies about Enigma were spread here last year)(obviously undocumented DRM is an issue, but misinformation is far worse.) The steam forums should be removed, because the last group of people that need a voice are steam users.

There's nothing uncertain about Denuvo games being stupidly server-dependent

Once per 3 months

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Originally posted by Hayatemaru:

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

There's nothing uncertain about Denuvo games being stupidly server-dependent

Once per 3 months

Cool. You can put up with phone-ins to a company who make it an active goal of theirs to make the end user get the worst possible experience over the fear of non-issues. People with a brain won't.