Was phoon legit?

[apple]

This is his famous video of him bunnyhopping insanely fast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvDUO42Hys

I never played CSS in 2010 so was this bunnyhopping actually humanely possible? No cheats or scripts used to bhop this fast?

[Cabeza de Tuerca]

no one caught him cheating, but i have my doubt.. maybe his bhop was legit but his kills don't

PD: you can't bhop like that nowadays

[STARMANNNN]

everything he did was legit if u watched his streams back in the day but he stopped playing cs and trust me there isnt no body that gud at bhoping is gonna be on here

[Trapacid]

Yes and no.

Yes, he did this without any external/internal cheats or scripts.
No and here's why:
The demos are recorded in a low tickrate (If I remember correctly: 32 ticks) so it makes it harder to know what kills are legit and if the hops are also legit.

And another big factor was the Source engine bhopping exploit he used in ESEA and Warlord servers.
He was able to hop to insanely high velocity rates using a bhopping exploit that he used.
Of course, Valve patched it and that's what made him quit, so that's why you can't bhop like that in CS Source anymore and neither in GO.
The exploit was simply the use of the Quake engine in the CS Source engine and how easy it was to bhop.

Sadly, bhopping like that is no longer possible, but it was very game breaking. Although, it makes me sad he had to leave.

Also, another question some of you might have: who or what is zBlock?

It's an anti cheat for CS Source servers. It's like Sourcemod Anti Cheat (SMAC), but better.

Edit:

Here's his ESEA profile for future reference to prove he was legit: https://play.esea.net/users/223861

[Cabeza de Tuerca]

Originally posted by ✪ _Vexxii:

Here's his ESEA profile for future reference to prove he was legit: https://play.esea.net/users/223861

and what do you watch in his profile that say he was legit? (it's a serious question) cause is almost all empty right now

[Trapacid]

Originally posted by Cabeza de Tuerca:

Originally posted by ✪ _Vexxii:

Here's his ESEA profile for future reference to prove he was legit: https://play.esea.net/users/223861

and what do you watch in his profile that say he was legit? (it's a serious question) cause is almost all empty right now

He's not banned.
IIRC, has no ban history.
He was a favourable and honored member on the ESEA forums for CSS and 1.6. He helped a lot with mouse related issues and others.

He was legit. All he did was abuse a bhop movement bug in Source engine.

To prove my point even further, Valve knew there were going to be bugs in the game. CS 1.6 and CSS use VERY different engines. 1.6 uses the classic GoldSource (GoldSrc) engine which is used in and Half-Life based games. CSS uses... well, Source engine.
Valve knew that something like this could potentially happen since they switched and developed a COMPLETE new counter-strike with engine swapping. Thus, phoon and "RIP Bhop Exploit in CSS".

He was legit. ESEA did not ban him at all for use of this and neither did Valve.

If you still differ from my proof, here's his official Steam profile if you still for some weird reason still think he was a cheater.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/phoonisadime/

[Cabeza de Tuerca]

ok, so assuming he didn't cheat and was a really cool guy, it doesn't look strange that he disappear from the earth fase like he did? also deleting his youtube channel

[Trapacid]

Originally posted by Cabeza de Tuerca:

ok, so assuming he didn't cheat and was a really cool guy, it doesn't look strange that he disappear from the earth fase like he did? also deleting his youtube channel

Um, he literally told us that he quit because he quit CS because zBlock and Valve patched the Source engine bhopping exploit. He even made a video telling why he was going to quit and then told us he will leave soon.

I mean, it's up to you if you don't want to trust me. I don't see why you think he used to be a cheater. There's even more proof he was legit.

Now, if you want a real cheater: LOLYOU

[Der1vative]

Phoon was legit. due to valves patching of bhopping he no longer enjoyed the game as much. Therefore he left as he no longer had an interest in the game. The reason why some of the shots looked wonky in the Zblock is due to a spectating bug and low tick rate. You can still see this bug on 64tick servers. When in demo mode or spectating the engines simulates the crosshair placement rather than show it real-time. Also, it seems that he didn't like the direction the community was heading in and therefore left. Back in CSS and 1.6, you played with the same people until you became regulars. Now CSGO is just you being matched with Russian toggler's screaming rush B and CYKA BLYATT

[GrO]

Originally posted by Cabeza de Tuerca:

PD: you can't bhop like that nowadays

...sv_enablebunnyhopping 1 enables it server-side.

Originally posted by Trapacid:

Also, another question some of you might have: who or what is zBlock?

It's an anti cheat for CS Source servers. It's like Sourcemod Anti Cheat (SMAC), but better.

...none of'em is better or worse, they're just different and SMAC is just more extended, more complex and it requires SourceMod plugin to be installed, while zBlock is a standalone plugin.

Originally posted by Trapacid:

To prove my point even further, Valve knew there were going to be bugs in the game. CS 1.6 and CSS use VERY different engines. 1.6 uses the classic GoldSource (GoldSrc) engine which is used in and Half-Life based games. CSS uses... well, Source engine.
Valve knew that something like this could potentially happen since they switched and developed a COMPLETE new counter-strike with engine swapping. Thus, phoon and "RIP Bhop Exploit in CSS".

...these're not a very different engines, source engine is just a modified goldsrc engine, which is a modified quake engine from 1996, and using a Quake's exploit in CS:S just proves it even more, however it's not a secret.

Valve didn't know it may happen, because if they knew, they would avoid it. Every valve's engine modification created tens of bugs - it's the corporations' business way (make money with as small effort as possible).

If you really wanna know, you should read what one of the former valve employees says about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/92jqsu/former_valve_employee_about_source_1_engine/

[Doctor Go-Go]

Most of the player base cheats at just about everything, they play stupid and exploit human nature, which is to believe the unbelievable and give others the benefit of their doubts.

Like anything in life, people cheat because they get away with it and don't care. If they can't win or be the best by playing fair then they don't.

You would like to believe no one cheats.

They are selling a product, they probably don't really care if someone is cheating as long as it's NOT so blatant. They are not going to go out of their way to prove a good cheater is cheating, because they just don't care. As long as players tolerate and don't complain that's all they really care about.

Most people cheat, at just about everything, it's human nature. Lying and cheating are one and the same. Confidence artistry, mankind's oldest art form.

[Malala]

Originally posted by Der1vative:

Phoon was legit. due to valves patching of bhopping he no longer enjoyed the game as much. Therefore he left as he no longer had an interest in the game. The reason why some of the shots looked wonky in the Zblock is due to a spectating bug and low tick rate. You can still see this bug on 64tick servers. When in demo mode or spectating the engines simulates the crosshair placement rather than show it real-time. Also, it seems that he didn't like the direction the community was heading in and therefore left. Back in CSS and 1.6, you played with the same people until you became regulars. Now CSGO is just you being matched with Russian toggler's screaming rush B and CYKA BLYATT

Valve didn't patch anything, ESEA updated their anticheat and he got detected and banned which is the same time he deleted his YT

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Originally posted by Malala:

Originally posted by Der1vative:

Phoon was legit. due to valves patching of bhopping he no longer enjoyed the game as much. Therefore he left as he no longer had an interest in the game. The reason why some of the shots looked wonky in the Zblock is due to a spectating bug and low tick rate. You can still see this bug on 64tick servers. When in demo mode or spectating the engines simulates the crosshair placement rather than show it real-time. Also, it seems that he didn't like the direction the community was heading in and therefore left. Back in CSS and 1.6, you played with the same people until you became regulars. Now CSGO is just you being matched with Russian toggler's screaming rush B and CYKA BLYATT

Valve didn't patch anything, ESEA updated their anticheat and he got detected and banned

now thats a blatant lie after checking the real phoon's esea profile

[Malala]

Originally posted by yitt:

Originally posted by Malala:

Valve didn't patch anything, ESEA updated their anticheat and he got detected and banned

now thats a blatant lie after checking the real phoon's esea profile

ESEA only records ban history for 3 years ♥♥♥♥♥♥

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Originally posted by Malala:

Originally posted by yitt:

now thats a blatant lie after checking the real phoon's esea profile

ESEA only records ban history for 3 years ♥♥♥♥♥♥

There's literally no proof esea banned him from using google or any other source.

Stop trying to act like you know the history of phoon. Kids these days lmao

[Malala]

Originally posted by yitt:

Originally posted by Malala:

ESEA only records ban history for 3 years ♥♥♥♥♥♥

There's literally no proof esea banned him from using google or any other source.

Stop trying to act like you know the history of phoon. Kids these days lmao

i dont really care if theres proof, i've a: seen his ban b: know that what he did, on esea, on that version of css was impossible without a hack