Question about traits

[Ansgar Odinson]

So, the new gene traits, I have a few questions on how they work.

1) If a shoulder pet has a trait such as, warm, or protective, do those traits apply to when it is riding on the player's shoulder? Or is it ONLY for ridden dinos?

2) If you stack the same trait multiple times do you get the full numerical benefits of each? As an example, a Vampire 3 returns 5% of damage done back as healing. If I put that trait on an animal twice, would they get 10% health drain?

3) Do animals that already reduce the weight of resources benefit from bearing trait? Does an ankylosaur with mineral bearing further reduce the weight of metal?

It would be great to know this stuff before I go obsessively trait hunting.

[saiyuk976]

1- Protective no, it triggers on dismount. Temperature no idea.

2- If you can place multiple on the tame, you will get mutiple/stackable benifits. Different traits have different max stacks, as well as some traits being a different percentage depending on the tame.

3- Yes. And you can stack 3 of the same bearing trait.

Edit to add - You may (or may not want) to look up the mod Trait Upgrader, when adding genes to the gene bank, duplicates will combine and increase in level. Two Vampiric 1 (Thylacoleo) will become one Vampiric 2 (Thylacoleo)

[JB-emmanuel-Zorg]

I'm surprised that pratically nobody speaks about the traits, i think the system is great, We can customize and improve our creatures as we wish!

I'm surprised too, as it's little a game changer that nobody shouts "it's pay to win!" (as we have saw with the Pyromane) as i think that there are 2 kind of people on officials PvP, those who can maximize their creatures, if they have purchased the "BTT" DLC and so, have access to the genes/traits, and those who didn't purchase "BTT" and can't maximize/optimize their creatures, no? Or i missed something? (for the moment i only play SP) 🤔

[Ansgar Odinson]

Originally posted by saiyuk976:

1- Protective no, it triggers on dismount. Temperature no idea.

2- If you can place multiple on the tame, you will get mutiple/stackable benifits. Different traits have different max stacks, as well as some traits being a different percentage depending on the tame.

3- Yes. And you can stack 3 of the same bearing trait.

Edit to add - You may (or may not want) to look up the mod Trait Upgrader, when adding genes to the gene bank, duplicates will combine and increase in level. Two Vampiric 1 (Thylacoleo) will become one Vampiric 2 (Thylacoleo)

Protective applies while riding and lasts for 10 seconds after dismount. This is why I was wondering if a shoulder pet could benefit the player if they had those sorts of traits.

As for the trait upgrader, I have been looking at that. Especially since certain traits seem to be super rare at 2 or 3. I found one cosmo with Vampire 3, but other than that I have only ever seen vampiric at 1 or 2.

So by this account, I could load one of my breeders with Mutable Melee 3, 5 times, and get full numerical benefits... Nice. Or an anky with mineral bearing 3, 5 times.

[Marc~]

Originally posted by JB-emmanuel-Zorg:

I'm surprised that pratically nobody speaks about the traits, i think the system is great, We can customize and improve our creatures as we wish!

I'm surprised too, as it's little a game changer that nobody shouts "it's pay to win!" (as we have saw with the Pyromane) as i think that there are 2 kind of people on officials PvP, those who can maximize their creatures, if they have purchased the "BTT" DLC and so, have access to the genes/traits, and those who didn't purchase "BTT" and can't maximize/optimize their creatures, no? Or i missed something? (for the moment i only play SP) 🤔

I have a question as II do not play MP nor did I buy any mod pack aside from Omega which I have yet to actually play extensively.

Q: For those playing MP who have not bought BTT, can they still trade those "Min/Max" tamed from people who actually bought BTT?

[Ansgar Odinson]

Originally posted by Marc~:

Originally posted by JB-emmanuel-Zorg:

I'm surprised that pratically nobody speaks about the traits, i think the system is great, We can customize and improve our creatures as we wish!

I'm surprised too, as it's little a game changer that nobody shouts "it's pay to win!" (as we have saw with the Pyromane) as i think that there are 2 kind of people on officials PvP, those who can maximize their creatures, if they have purchased the "BTT" DLC and so, have access to the genes/traits, and those who didn't purchase "BTT" and can't maximize/optimize their creatures, no? Or i missed something? (for the moment i only play SP) 🤔

I have a question as II do not play MP nor did I buy any mod pack aside from Omega which I have yet to actually play extensively.

Q: For those playing MP who have not bought BTT, can they still trade those "Min/Max" tamed from people who actually bought BTT?

Yes. And wild creatures still have traits. The only thing you cant do is is build or use the gene scanner or storage. So you cant implant traits or swap them around.

[JB-emmanuel-Zorg]

Originally posted by Ansgar Odinson:

As for the trait upgrader, I have been looking at that. Especially since certain traits seem to be super rare at 2 or 3. I found one cosmo with Vampire 3, but other than that I have only ever seen vampiric at 1 or 2.

Apparently (taken from the video on YT, "the new trait system", from "TiiaAurora", who seems to be very rigorous!), 1rst tier: 74.07% of chance, 2nd tier: 22,22% of chance and 3rd tier: 3,70% of chance to stumble upon those . 😁

[saiyuk976]

Originally posted by Ansgar Odinson:

Originally posted by saiyuk976:

1- Protective no, it triggers on dismount. Temperature no idea.

Protective applies while riding and lasts for 10 seconds after dismount. This is why I was wondering if a shoulder pet could benefit the player if they had those sorts of traits.

The point I was making is shoulder pets being "mounted" on your shoulder are not the same as a mount that you ride on. I believe those traits are only for mounts you ride on. Other examples being the speed boost while in or out of combat.

Originally posted by Ansgar Odinson:

So by this account, I could load one of my breeders with Mutable Melee 3, 5 times, and get full numerical benefits... Nice. Or an anky with mineral bearing 3, 5 times.

I'm not sure what the limit is on mutable stacking, but bearing stack max is 3. That can be 3 mineral bearing 1, or 3 mineral bearing 3, I'm thinking 3 mineral bearing 3 and 2 quick hitting for ankylo.

[JB-emmanuel-Zorg]

By the way, i don't know if everyone knows but you can have access to all the system of genes and traits, for free, without the Bob's Tall Tales DLC (if you play SP or on a private server), there is a mod called "Better traits" for that, and Wildcard gave the permission for that.

[JB-emmanuel-Zorg]

Do you think that "Distracting" (Non-allied targets that take damage from this Creature's melee attacks deal 5% less damage to all other targets for 20 seconds) also apply to bosses?

[saiyuk976]

Originally posted by JB-emmanuel-Zorg:

Do you think that "Distracting" (Non-allied targets that take damage from this Creature's melee attacks deal 5% less damage to all other targets for 20 seconds) also apply to bosses?

Hmmm. Interesting thought, and if it was on 18 rexes would they stack effect on each other.

[JB-emmanuel-Zorg]

Originally posted by saiyuk976:

would they stack effect on each other.

It was my second answer, but i imagine no, because if the 20 creatures of our army have this trait (it's not stackable on the same creature, only one on each) it would be 20 X 5%= 100... the boss would made 100% less of damage (if it works on boss)... zero... But who knows.. finally... maybe? (i had already found 2! 😜 )

[Ansgar Odinson]

I put distracting on all my cosmo. That way they can reduce the damage of whatever I am fighting when they hit it with their webs. It then frees up a trait slot for my combat mount.

[JB-emmanuel-Zorg]

Originally posted by Ansgar Odinson:

I put distracting on all my cosmo. That way they can reduce the damage of whatever I am fighting when they hit it with their webs.

well thought out.

[JB-emmanuel-Zorg]

Someone tried "fast learner"? the description in the wiki is "Increased XP by 15%.
This trait can be replaced on adult creatures.", i tried to inject the gene into an adult, and it wasn' t possible.

[saiyuk976]

Originally posted by JB-emmanuel-Zorg:

This trait can be replaced on adult creatures.

I haven't tried it, but the text would suggest that you add it to a baby (along with whatever else), raise the baby, saddle up and grind out xp on said now grown baby, then when your ready, replace that trait with another.
The concern here is there is no replace option with the gene scanner, just two seperate operations of extract and inject. Does the game track creatures that have had fast learner extracted to allow a slot to be injected with whatever else? Perhaps a buff appears on the creature with a timer allowing traits to be placed in an adult.

For the xp I'd just hatch a bunch of eggs and slaughter the babies /shrug