Stop crying about Pyromane

[Matus]

Pyromane is an optional creature, if you want it buy the dlc, if not don't do it.

Studio Wildcard is a really great software house and ARK (both versions) are really good games; they take care of ours opinions, they still improve and support the game; and don't forget that buying the base game give to you access to all expansions and maps.

This new dlc way is userfull to support them and their work, i'm happy to support them.

[Steve]

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

Nah I find it appalling that he has the audacity to complain about every little thing this game does. He uses every chance he gets to complain about a company trying to make money from their game, while needing to go back to making "content" for this game to make money. Not enjoying aspects of the game, or not enjoying the game as a whole is entire understandable and I can respect that point entirely. But seeing as though he wants to insult some rando on steam I believe that it is fair subject to point out.

That's fair. We can do this without insults.

Pyromane represents a sea change in Ark: Survival Ascended. Instead of adding any kind of challenge to the game, it's gone full accessible and RMTs its own dinos.

One of the easiest survival titles in the genre is now unquestionably the easiest. The only challenge left in this game is keeping your eyes open and trying to find enough to do to avoid going AFK.

And that's only the PvE side. Doesn't the bulk of PvP in this game happen in caves? That $5 dino's one hell of a caver, ain't it.

I'm sure that's coincidental though. Right?

[Chariot]

Origineel geplaatst door Matus:

Pyromane is an optional creature, if you want it buy the dlc, if not don't do it.

Studio Wildcard is a really great software house and ARK (both versions) are really good games; they take care of ours opinions, they still improve and support the game; and don't forget that buying the base game give to you access to all expansions and maps.

This new dlc way is userfull to support them and their work, i'm happy to support them.

Honestly i just don't like that they're nickel and diming us for so many things, It was semi-fine with bob's tall tales (which quite literally is p2w, Getting ascendant loot out of shovel mounds is quite literally undeniably p2w), what started with an additional micro-dlc is now gonna span out into many additional DLC's that slowly add up to a massive p2w between dlc and non-dlc players, like the path they're going down is scary ngl

[iTzNoble]

Origineel geplaatst door Steve the Player of Games:

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

Nah I find it appalling that he has the audacity to complain about every little thing this game does. He uses every chance he gets to complain about a company trying to make money from their game, while needing to go back to making "content" for this game to make money. Not enjoying aspects of the game, or not enjoying the game as a whole is entire understandable and I can respect that point entirely. But seeing as though he wants to insult some rando on steam I believe that it is fair subject to point out.

That's fair. We can do this without insults.

Pyromane represents a sea change in Ark: Survival Ascended. Instead of adding any kind of challenge to the game, it's gone full accessible and RMTs its own dinos.

One of the easiest survival titles in the genre is now unquestionably the easiest. The only challenge left in this game is keeping your eyes open and trying to find enough to do to avoid going AFK.

And that's only the PvE side. Doesn't the bulk of PvP in this game happen in caves? That $5 dino's one hell of a caver, ain't it.

I'm sure that's coincidental though. Right?

Oh hey steve, we yap together in the discord all the time lol. I can agree with the pvp aspects of the dino, especially the current utility with the cave meta. However, I would like to point out arks track record with its purchasable content has always added some "broken" new mechanic to the game, such as SE with wyverns, whips, and flame, Abb was the reaper and plant z, ext was manas, easy element, easy electronics. genesis 1 was easy op saddles, gen 2 was easy everything. All of which costed money. There are p2w aspects in this game yes I can agree with you there, but it is nothing new. And seeing as though the dlc's are free on asa, I think people can spare 5 dollars if its really game changing, they spared 20 20 20 40 for the other dlcs on asa. I would go so far as to say this isnt horrible. And at least with this, its just one dino. If it gets bad enough in pvp they will fix the problems that may come with it, its not like people already have max dinos and everything else on official anyways.

[Smurff-a-thon2k]

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

Origineel geplaatst door Steve the Player of Games:

That's fair. We can do this without insults.

Pyromane represents a sea change in Ark: Survival Ascended. Instead of adding any kind of challenge to the game, it's gone full accessible and RMTs its own dinos.

One of the easiest survival titles in the genre is now unquestionably the easiest. The only challenge left in this game is keeping your eyes open and trying to find enough to do to avoid going AFK.

And that's only the PvE side. Doesn't the bulk of PvP in this game happen in caves? That $5 dino's one hell of a caver, ain't it.

I'm sure that's coincidental though. Right?

Oh hey steve, we yap together in the discord all the time lol. I can agree with the pvp aspects of the dino, especially the current utility with the cave meta. However, I would like to point out arks track record with its purchasable content has always added some "broken" new mechanic to the game, such as SE with wyverns, whips, and flame, Abb was the reaper and plant z, ext was manas, easy element, easy electronics. genesis 1 was easy op saddles, gen 2 was easy everything. All of which costed money. There are p2w aspects in this game yes I can agree with you there, but it is nothing new. And seeing as though the dlc's are free on asa, I think people can spare 5 dollars if its really game changing, they spared 20 20 20 40 for the other dlcs on asa. I would go so far as to say this isnt horrible. And at least with this, its just one dino. If it gets bad enough in pvp they will fix the problems that may come with it, its not like people already have max dinos and everything else on official anyways.

In a few months when it's not just one $5 dino, it's not 6 x $5 each dinos all running around everyone's map and the pop up every other encounter with "you need to buy this animals seperately"

What will you be saying at that time?

You would be fine if playing pokemon, and after fighting that pokemon in the wild a pop up comes up saying "we will take you to the nintendo store so you can buy the ability to try to catch this pokemon"

[Smoka95]

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

Oh hey steve, we yap together in the discord all the time lol. I can agree with the pvp aspects of the dino, especially the current utility with the cave meta. However, I would like to point out arks track record with its purchasable content has always added some "broken" new mechanic to the game, such as SE with wyverns, whips, and flame, Abb was the reaper and plant z, ext was manas, easy element, easy electronics. genesis 1 was easy op saddles, gen 2 was easy everything. All of which costed money. There are p2w aspects in this game yes I can agree with you there, but it is nothing new. And seeing as though the dlc's are free on asa, I think people can spare 5 dollars if its really game changing, they spared 20 20 20 40 for the other dlcs on asa. I would go so far as to say this isnt horrible. And at least with this, its just one dino. If it gets bad enough in pvp they will fix the problems that may come with it, its not like people already have max dinos and everything else on official anyways.

Such a bad take.
Before you didn't have MTX.
- Now you have paid mods/skins/dlc.
Before you were paying for a map/creatures/engrams (surely you could argue it was p2w, but you got your money worth) that was their only revenue stream for the most part.
For example how much time/resources would take them to create new creatures, engrams and whole map compared to just 1 creature and put a tag on it?
Now you get low effort cash grab with little to no thought put into it.

-Example 1 it can damage fire wyverns.
-Example 2 you could ride it while in shoulder pet size

Do you honestly believe this thing was properly tested and not rushed out of the gates last second just to be released with center?

Why people like you can't understand its not about the 5$.
Why can't you see the writing on the wall, what it actually means?

ASA is nothing but a gateway platform to shove you as much crap they can produce with lowest effort and maximum profit margins.

They did very little to fix current game issues which are known since ASE, but we get more paid optional "content", like how obvious it has to be for you to see it.
That's without including brand new issues, they are doing the bare minimum for this game.

[Want To Tree]

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

Origineel geplaatst door Want To Tree:

So basically, he makes videos about Ark, and it is a big surprise to you is that he still makes videos about Ark?

The noob doesn't like some aspect of the game and like anyone else who doesn't, chooses to says something about it. This offends you so much that you need to go and post a long winded rant about inciting this and that which is completely irrelevant in the scope of what is being discussed here, i.e. off topic?

You're right though, half the people here are clearly brainless...

Nah I find it appalling that he has the audacity to complain about every little thing this game does. He uses every chance he gets to complain about a company trying to make money from their game, while needing to go back to making "content" for this game to make money. Not enjoying aspects of the game, or not enjoying the game as a whole is entire understandable and I can respect that point entirely. But seeing as though he wants to insult some rando on steam I believe that it is fair subject to point out.

Well, I have not looked at his videos in a very long time. So I went and looked now at what he's been up to. For the past few months, I see a mix of content for various games including ARK and none of these ARK videos seem to be based on negative aspects of the game.

So I looked at his post history, he barely posts in the discussions and from what I can tell, the few posts that exist are more to do with basic issues or frustrating aspects that he has encountered in the game.

I am failing to see this "audacity to complain about every little thing this game does" or how "he uses every chance he gets to complain about a company trying to make money from their game".

If you're appalled by his comment to the OP:

Origineel geplaatst door Nooblets:

If Snail Games are going to pay you to make excuses for their Money grabbing pay-to-win bullsh@t. You could at least make it sound like your a real person talking.

Then I don't know what to say to you other than that there seem to be a lot of people who feel the same way about the OP post (the internet is quite literally full of bots), the introduction of this DLC, the general direction of the game or simply this specific company in general.

Either way, I think that you're over reacting to his post. Just because he happens to be a (relatively successful) content creator who also happens to makes videos about Ark, it somehow means that he should only hold a saintly opinion to anything surrounding the game or what exactly is it that you are trying to imply there?

This is going to be a hard truth, but the world is not full of rose petals, perfume and chocolates. Nothing in this world that is perfect, humans are the worst.

Personally though, I would rate this big noob as being a 1/10 in terms of toxicity when compared to the majority of people who create content for this game, I also think that a lot of what you have said just boils down to personal bias given your own opinion of the game.

[Want To Tree]

Origineel geplaatst door Smurff-a-thon2k:

In a few months when it's not just one $5 dino, it's not 6 x $5 each dinos all running around everyone's map and the pop up every other encounter with "you need to buy this animals seperately"

What will you be saying at that time?

You would be fine if playing pokemon, and after fighting that pokemon in the wild a pop up comes up saying "we will take you to the nintendo store so you can buy the ability to try to catch this pokemon"

Along the lines of Steves post on this, it is the slippery slope that is the real issue with this thing.

It start's with one p2w micro-transaction type DLC creature.

If that goes well, then, there will be just be more of them.

The real problem that I foresee is who can actually say that it will stop at the level of individual DLC creatures?

Because the sales went well, the next thing you know there will be individual DLCs for stronger weapon and armor items in the game. Why stop there when there can also be individual DLCs for stronger structure pieces too. Heck, all going well, what about cloud storage fees for more slots in Ark data uploads. You want that perfect level breeding tame, well you can now buy it. But hey, forget all that, if you really want to win the game just pay for PvP immunity and get a duration based god bubble.

Wait till the other developers see that it works, then every other survival game will be stock standard with these types of paid features.

I mean realistically, where does it even end?

[iTzNoble]

Origineel geplaatst door Smurff-a-thon2k:

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

In a few months when it's not just one $5 dino, it's not 6 x $5 each dinos all running around everyone's map and the pop up every other encounter with "you need to buy this animals seperately"

What will you be saying at that time?

You would be fine if playing pokemon, and after fighting that pokemon in the wild a pop up comes up saying "we will take you to the nintendo store so you can buy the ability to try to catch this pokemon"

I do see your point and I can concur with yeah if we let this get out of hand. However it is fair to consider that even if there was what, like 6x of these and that only being 30 dollars. The game does need to sustain itself somehow, even if this isnt the proper way to do it. If they added cool skins to the game that we could buy that would certainly be a better alternative, a dino that you have to buy to use is kind of cringe. And only reason I would think they would be doing this is due to bob tall tales or the premium mods not making a sufficient amount of income to help sustain further development of the game.
However seeing as tho in the past ark essentially made its money post initial game sale with dlc, which was like 30$ for a new map, a few new dinos, and a few new items to throw into the pool of things. Seeing as such, scorched earth added like, some new structures that did w/e, wyvern which was p2w meta, the camel thing which is w/e, flamethrower and whip which were p2w meta, mantis which was meh for a substantial amount of time till a very much later dlc. Effectively the old dlc was just a p2w bundle. Now that there are effectively no more purchases post buying the game for many players, there is really no sustainable income for people running the meta on official.
Once again I am not saying I am a huge fan for their decision, my issue is people being unconstructive and not really pushing towards a goal of improvement.

[EvilMonk]

Origineel geplaatst door Matus:

Pyromane is an optional creature, if you want it buy the dlc, if not don't do it.

Studio Wildcard is a really great software house and ARK (both versions) are really good games; they take care of ours opinions, they still improve and support the game; and don't forget that buying the base game give to you access to all expansions and maps.

This new dlc way is userfull to support them and their work, i'm happy to support them.

Stop being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[iTzNoble]

Origineel geplaatst door smokleto_95:

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

everything else on official anyways.

Such a bad take.
Before you didn't have MTX.
- Now you have paid mods/skins/dlc.
Before you were paying for a map/creatures/engrams (surely you could argue it was p2w, but you got your money worth) that was their only revenue stream for the most part.
For example how much time/resources would take them to create new creatures, engrams and whole map compared to just 1 creature and put a tag on it?
Now you get low effort cash grab with little to no thought put into it.

-Example 1 it can damage fire wyverns.
-Example 2 you could ride it while in shoulder pet size

Do you honestly believe this thing was properly tested and not rushed out of the gates last second just to be released with center?

Why people like you can't understand its not about the 5$.
Why can't you see the writing on the wall, what it actually means?

ASA is nothing but a gateway platform to shove you as much crap they can produce with lowest effort and maximum profit margins.

They did very little to fix current game issues which are known since ASE, but we get more paid optional "content", like how obvious it has to be for you to see it.
That's without including brand new ones, they are doing the bare minimum for this game.

Yeah I can follow and understand what you are saying, however, the dlc is incredibly cheap, and may lack substance compared to the ase dlcs, as those consisted of maps dinos items, but those were also 4x the cost around, depending on location of residence. I personally think this was probably more tested the the center map itself honestly. The devs are honestly given a choice, they either wait to release stuff till its fleshed out(they have rarely done this, could be for whatever reason, one could also figure that this community have a bad habit of complaining about any little delay possible, or just a habit of complain alot in general) or that they just push it out and fix it in motion(as in motion they are able to get a better understanding of where the object is in use, based upon mass player use or unuse, and what they need to do to fix it.) it is ark after all, people find ways to break the game with something that has been widely known for working for a while. I had already found a bug that causes the center to crash, but the likelyhood that a gametester would find it may not be nearly as easy for them to find.
as for the very little to fix the game, I will have to wholeheartedly disagree with you for that one. The only reason I feel this way is because I have noticed numerous major strides from studio wc and what they have done on asa, that I havent seen in quite a long time, I remember how they used to be the sit around and do nothing group. But now Ive noticed that they actually work on patching issues as fast as they can, they have more dedicated people doing administration and moderation on official, they have good work with the patch team.
basically, as long as the new dino bs isnt a super consistent every week thing, where this effectively turns into an appstore game, it should be fine.

[iTzNoble]

Origineel geplaatst door Want To Tree:

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

Personally though, I would rate this big noob as being a 1/10 in terms of toxicity when compared to the majority of people who create content for this game, I also think that a lot of what you have said just boils down to personal bias given your own opinion of the game.

I cant really speak to his videos in recent times of past few months, haven't watched any of his videos since last year. So perhaps he has made better content rather than the mush of complaining that I had witnessed in past times.


"Either way, I think that you're over reacting to his post. Just because he happens to be a (relatively successful) content creator who also happens to makes videos about Ark, it somehow means that he should only hold a saintly opinion to anything surrounding the game or what exactly is it that you are trying to imply there?"

what I was trying to imply was the progress of his video uploads in past time, as I had watched him from time to time after he had fully quit ark for a substantial span, I saw his videos and how the views corresponded to it. He is constantly faulting a company for trying to make money out of their product, while also falling back on the companies product so he himself can make money. An example would be how he had to jump back to pumping out ark content due to the fact that majority of his non ark videos produced minimal viewership for someone of his size. Yet he wants to fault the company that is trying to fund itself in a way to make it through its entire redevelopment. If he really didnt wanted to be against snail games he wouldnt be creating content for their game.
As for straight up calling someone a bot for the company, Yeah I agree there are a lot of bots on the internet, nonetheless i think that was rather distasteful thing to do just because someone happened to disagree with him. No way of knowing if it is a bot or not, who knows if anyone in this post is real or automated at this point no?

[DissocialPersonality]

personally i dont blame wildcard its not there fault they were bought by snail and told to rush the game out in a good or bad state. BC nitrado was gonna take 20% of snails income from ark. all the fault is with snail not WC.

[Steve]

Origineel geplaatst door Israeli Iron Dome:

Origineel geplaatst door Steve the Player of Games:

That's fair. We can do this without insults.

Pyromane represents a sea change in Ark: Survival Ascended. Instead of adding any kind of challenge to the game, it's gone full accessible and RMTs its own dinos.

One of the easiest survival titles in the genre is now unquestionably the easiest. The only challenge left in this game is keeping your eyes open and trying to find enough to do to avoid going AFK.

And that's only the PvE side. Doesn't the bulk of PvP in this game happen in caves? That $5 dino's one hell of a caver, ain't it.

I'm sure that's coincidental though. Right?

Oh hey steve, we yap together in the discord all the time lol. I can agree with the pvp aspects of the dino, especially the current utility with the cave meta. However, I would like to point out arks track record with its purchasable content has always added some "broken" new mechanic to the game, such as SE with wyverns, whips, and flame, Abb was the reaper and plant z, ext was manas, easy element, easy electronics. genesis 1 was easy op saddles, gen 2 was easy everything. All of which costed money. There are p2w aspects in this game yes I can agree with you there, but it is nothing new. And seeing as though the dlc's are free on asa, I think people can spare 5 dollars if its really game changing, they spared 20 20 20 40 for the other dlcs on asa. I would go so far as to say this isnt horrible. And at least with this, its just one dino. If it gets bad enough in pvp they will fix the problems that may come with it, its not like people already have max dinos and everything else on official anyways.

We did, at one point, but I haven't been in that server in ages. I'm not the target customer anymore. Can you believe I was asked to be an ambassador for this game once? Glad I turned it down. Should have been more honest with the reason. Anyway:

And while that's true with previous DLC (I love the managarmr but the managarmr should have never existed), it wasn't a hard paywall. Purchasers were early enjoyers and got access to much more for the coin they were paying. Plus, they could share the spoils with their tribe. That's important in larger tribes. Not everyone's got the money. That used to be one of the charms of this game. It didn't demand too much of your wallet in order to keep up -- just your time. I got all of that in the world.

I mean, imagine valuing every dino at $5 each. That'd be absurd, even for a gacha game.

But the biggest issue is that this is the end for any kind of hope of this game ever becoming any kind of challenge again. This is an accessibility move, pure and simple. Creatures like this are designed specifically to allow a player to pay to overcome a given challenge (in this case, fire damage without all of the drawbacks of a fire wyvern -- I'm waiting for the first Dragon clear with it, and lava cave what? Now it's just cave). The promo video makes no attempt to hide this:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2972680/ARK_Fantastic_Tames__Pyromane/

"Buy this! Fear nothing from other players! Run over fire! Make carchas look like jerks! Order NOW NOW NOW!"

Actually, no. That's tied for biggest issue. Also taking top spot is the cashshaming.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198251425764/recommended/2972680/

Anyone cashshaming over Ark is the biggest of losers. End of story.

[𝓝𝓪𝓬𝓱𝓸𝓫𝓸𝓲]

I wonder if we'll see MTX's for hexagons. Most likely.

[◥Mψxz◤]

Origineel geplaatst door Matus:

Pyromane is an optional creature, if you want it buy the dlc, if not don't do it.

Studio Wildcard is a really great software house and ARK (both versions) are really good games; they take care of ours opinions, they still improve and support the game; and don't forget that buying the base game give to you access to all expansions and maps.

This new dlc way is userfull to support them and their work, i'm happy to support them.

the problem is that they add separate dlc for creatures