ARK: Survival Ascended

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bishop6363 Feb 13, 2024 @ 10:56am
Will a new map (the center) bring you back?
After 120 hours on the island I took a break and started playing Palworld.
As of now I am not sure I would pay for the center, or if I would even play it for free.
I got 120 hours out of ASA, so money well spent.
Not sure how much juice is left in this 9 year Dino apocalypse for me.

Thoughts?
Originally posted by retsam1:
Originally posted by HiGenX:
Originally posted by bishop6363:

I am not inferring they are thieves,
I am saying -quite plainly- they are incompetent business people.
Snail Wildcard are praying Myth of Empires is a HUGE success.
And if you dont know why, you should not be responding.

Man every company in the world is praying (insert their product) is a huge success, what is that even suppose to mean? And when did you gain access to their books, don't usually get that kinda privy unless your making an offer to buy. I mean if all we do is listen to the soundbites of media then Tesla should have imploded years ago.

Also, your not even factoring in the mod community making bank now, which will also drive sales of ASA for years to come. But hey, if investing your time and money into something you consider a failing venture is your thing, then you do you and I thank you. I just don''t think they will fail :)


Ok, here you go:

Stock tanking and hovering in the dollar range with dips from recent weeks down 89 cents:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SNAL/

Snail Games SEC filings (pay attention to the 10-Q's and 8-K's.

https://investor.snail.com/financial-information/sec-filings

Within that is:
1. Outlining the extent of their losses and millions in debt and with multiple outstanding loans and loan repayment issues.
2. Due to point 1 and having been in arrears from March 2023 to June 2023 in server payments to Nitrado, they made an agreement to give hosting exclusivity to Nitrado for ASA and 20% of ASA's revenue to them, in exchange for a 4mil cash infusion as well.
3. That the Ark IP accounts for around 80% of the company's entire revenue stream with their other 20+ projects not doing so. (And thats not discussing the failed EV car company that went bankrupt in october either mind you....)

I can quote from those financials for you if you attempt to be dismissive to the contrary...

And I can list more but here's a relatively easy summary and linked video for you regarding most all related to the fiscal accountability issues the company has been facing.

https://eightify.app/summary/artificial-intelligence-and-future-of-work/snail-games-financial-crisis-ark-survival-s-uncertain-future

Mind you of course the summary and video are from 5 months ago but the situation has become worse.

Also keep in mind that Snail Games 4th Quarter(that'll be a 10-Q on that investor page I linked when it comes out) should be posted in the coming weeks...


As for the claims of the modding community "making bank" from the limited numbers that have been accepted to the premium mod program and as well as their only receiving 50% of any revenue from the list price(as Snail and Overwolf split the remaining 50%), the evidence isnt necessarily compelling for that, especially given the rather low number of people playing the game as well:

https://steamcharts.com/app/2399830
Current at the time of writing this, ranked 74th:

Month Avg. Players Gain % Gain Peak Players
Last 30 Days 15,170.3 -5,823.5 -27.74% 27,273
January 2024 20,993.8 -11,469.7 -35.33% 40,555
December 2023 32,463.5 -15,933.5 -32.92% 63,209
November 2023 48,397.0 -10,575.4 -17.93% 89,513
October 2023 58,972.3 - - 98,047

To reiterate that above, the player base is in a steep decline.

So, what I would say to have plausibility at this point is the mod makers crossing their fingers that some miraculous turn around is to occur to dramatically improve the player numbers(and retention) in order for them to then have the chance of "making bank". They're essentially very reliant on "foot traffic" (ie people playing) for their revenue chances.

All of that, and then factored with the issues plaguing the game and the sentiments seen through this forum, discord, and elsewhere likely will reflect that even when the center and subsequent maps release, that while there will be a limited, punctuated increase of players, it is very likely such will not be retained and the steep declines will continue.
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enchanter100 Feb 13, 2024 @ 10:58am 
We never played center on evolved, didn't seem to add anything. So unless it actually adds something/story etc... Then they gonna charge for it probably.. So no..
littleronney Feb 13, 2024 @ 10:59am 
No becasue i never even showed up the game doesnt work on a an AMd 6800 xt and an intel 13700k processor. thats the most pathetic video game on the market right now man. Idk how you got 120 hours in. lmao Worse dev team i have ever seen. Hands down, straight facts.
bishop6363 Feb 13, 2024 @ 11:31am 
Originally posted by enchanter100:
We never played center on evolved, didn't seem to add anything. So unless it actually adds something/story etc... Then they gonna charge for it probably.. So no..
I agree, without some really cool new features or QOL. Existing maps are probably nor going to be enough to bring me back.
I was curious to play scorched earth and aberration because I never played those in ASE.
The center looks and feels like the island.

BUT IMHO ASA was, and is a hit!
Rogue Serenity Feb 13, 2024 @ 11:53am 
Personally I bought ASA but I have barely played it yet. I have over 2000 hours on ASE without doing any dungeons or bosses. Yeahhhhh I liked the building side of the game. But I'm waiting for there to be a buffer of maps to play through first before I dive into ASA proper. (I don't want to complete a map and then wait 3+ months for the next.)

Honestly Wildcard you made the wrong decision forcing people to buy ASA by closing the official servers on ASE. If the steam charts have proven anything by now it is that people were always going to leave ASA and go back to ASE when they finished the Island on ASA. It's the most overplayed map between both games.

Yall should have had the official servers on ASE stay open until you had at least released Aberration on ASA. Looking at the game's statistics that would have made the most sense and if yall were worried about the server cost yall could have just halved the number of servers for ASE. Then as soon as you release aberration you could have done a slow phasing out of the ASE servers in favour of ASA.
FizzyX Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:05pm 
Mainly, all dlc should be for free as they wrote and the only thing that should be for money is the third genesis sequel. Otherwise, it's a lawsuit and a collective petition to return the money, because no one has ever released a remaster early access for 45 until now. For me, it's a big disappointment and today we're witnessing again how he doesn't keep his promise because the Love Event is supposed to run for two hours and it's still not running
bishop6363 Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:09pm 
Originally posted by FizzyX:
Mainly, all dlc should be for free as they wrote and the only thing that should be for money is the third genesis sequel. Otherwise, it's a lawsuit and a collective petition to return the money, because no one has ever released a remaster early access for 45 until now. For me, it's a big disappointment and today we're witnessing again how he doesn't keep his promise because the Love Event is supposed to run for two hours and it's still not running
I am perfectly happy to pay for DLC; even though I already bought it all in ASE. Its a for profit company, they got financial problems. I dont mind paying, BUT just the map the center, and I will probably pass. UNLESS there is something really really cool in the paid DLC.

I dont put weight into any company promises made by companies that already had a history - it is what it is,
and I dont expect anything worth having to be free.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - you bought ASA and are here complaining GG LOL
Feralkyn Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:16pm 
I started Ark: Survival Evolved around the Genesis pass release. I never played the Center bar moving my Rex army over there to speedrun the boss for Engram unlocks. But I always heard how phenomenal the map was, how everyone loved it, and how they adored the underwater world aspect. So in a sense, I am looking forward to playing it properly (hopefully upgraded) and checking it out for "real" this time. That being said, I'm much more looking forward to Scorched Earth and would drop Center in a heartbeat for it. (This is assuming Center is free.)

That, and we really, really need game optimization to be able to enjoy *any* map. I'm still stuttery & framey with really bad anti-aliasing (everything is 'watery' and fuzzy on any setting), with frequent crashes, have to keep foliage interaction off to prevent even more crashes (so I have a ton of floating rocks all over), *and* a load of textures (map, otter/various dino faces etc.) simply don't load beneath Epic settings *still.* So I'm hoping they'll fix all of that so we have a smooth run into a new map, rather than still struggling with the bugs. I wanna make good memories, not frustrating ones.
Last edited by Feralkyn; Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:18pm
Rogue Serenity Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:30pm 
Originally posted by bishop6363:
Originally posted by FizzyX:
Mainly, all dlc should be for free as they wrote and the only thing that should be for money is the third genesis sequel. Otherwise, it's a lawsuit and a collective petition to return the money, because no one has ever released a remaster early access for 45 until now. For me, it's a big disappointment and today we're witnessing again how he doesn't keep his promise because the Love Event is supposed to run for two hours and it's still not running
I am perfectly happy to pay for DLC; even though I already bought it all in ASE. Its a for profit company, they got financial problems. I dont mind paying, BUT just the map the center, and I will probably pass. UNLESS there is something really really cool in the paid DLC.

I dont put weight into any company promises made by companies that already had a history - it is what it is,
and I dont expect anything worth having to be free.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - you bought ASA and are here complaining GG LOL

Honestly I bought it knowing we'd get all of ASE's dlc in the initial purchase down the road. Much like when Cyberpunk released, I didn't refund it because while the gameplay was massively flawed I could tell CD Project cared because the quality of the story. So I stuck with it knowing they would later redeem themselves.

But with ASA it's a mixed bag. I think Wildcard are in frantic survival mode and making mistakes along the way because they probably don't have much time to think. I just hope they can learn from this can crack on with the dlcs so they can move onto the new stuff they want to do.

If I was them I'd forget about Ark II and double down on ASA and the formulae that has worked before. Focus on enriching what they had in ASE for ASA and overtime it should translate into more sales as more people buy it. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they haven't sold as much as they wanted is because most are just waiting for more maps to come out first.
bishop6363 Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:33pm 
Originally posted by Rogue Rabbit:
Originally posted by bishop6363:
I am perfectly happy to pay for DLC; even though I already bought it all in ASE. Its a for profit company, they got financial problems. I dont mind paying, BUT just the map the center, and I will probably pass. UNLESS there is something really really cool in the paid DLC.

I dont put weight into any company promises made by companies that already had a history - it is what it is,
and I dont expect anything worth having to be free.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - you bought ASA and are here complaining GG LOL

Honestly I bought it knowing we'd get all of ASE's dlc in the initial purchase down the road. Much like when Cyberpunk released, I didn't refund it because while the gameplay was massively flawed I could tell CD Project cared because the quality of the story. So I stuck with it knowing they would later redeem themselves.

But with ASA it's a mixed bag. I think Wildcard are in frantic survival mode and making mistakes along the way because they probably don't have much time to think. I just hope they can learn from this can crack on with the dlcs so they can move onto the new stuff they want to do.

If I was them I'd forget about Ark II and double down on ASA and the formulae that has worked before. Focus on enriching what they had in ASE for ASA and overtime it should translate into more sales as more people buy it. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they haven't sold as much as they wanted is because most are just waiting for more maps to come out first.
If I was Snail or Wildcard I would sell my IP to Microsoft. Problem solved.
user44 Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:34pm 
I have been waiting for the Center Map. It's like deer isle is to dayz: the map that SHOULD have released with the game.
FizzyX Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:35pm 
Originally posted by bishop6363:
Originally posted by FizzyX:
Mainly, all dlc should be for free as they wrote and the only thing that should be for money is the third genesis sequel. Otherwise, it's a lawsuit and a collective petition to return the money, because no one has ever released a remaster early access for 45 until now. For me, it's a big disappointment and today we're witnessing again how he doesn't keep his promise because the Love Event is supposed to run for two hours and it's still not running
I am perfectly happy to pay for DLC; even though I already bought it all in ASE. Its a for profit company, they got financial problems. I dont mind paying, BUT just the map the center, and I will probably pass. UNLESS there is something really really cool in the paid DLC.

I dont put weight into any company promises made by companies that already had a history - it is what it is,
and I dont expect anything worth having to be free.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - you bought ASA and are here complaining GG LOL

What you wrote is a beautiful example of how stupid people are and how obedient sheep can be. The Willcard company earned over 30 million euros from the sale of ASA, so I see no reason for it to be in financial trouble. In addition, if I buy a car with luxury equipment in advance, I will not expect to receive only the base with the justification that the company is in financial need. so I want what I paid for and if I don't get it I want my money back.. and not that steam tells me that I have played 2 hours and I'm not eligible... so I definitely don't like it.. because I wouldn't buy the game and wait up to the years-promised ARK2
Superchewbacca Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:38pm 
with the way things are going and if the YouTubers are to be believed this company is brokeish to broke and bleeding money fast.

Most likely they gonna sell us the maps again. lets just remember ASA was supposed to be free with ark 2, just that they promised us all the maps does not mean they will deliver that and they might not have a choice other than piss the players off even more and charge them for the maps or go bankrupt.

Centre is just a better Island. does not add much but i liked it and prefer it to island. would be better for them to be working on scorched...

But reality is people are mostly not playing due to the game not working or running terribly.

And they seem to have 0 focus on that. That's what they should do short term to retain players. But i fear they already lost many players permanently... People are F ing furious. i was mostly due to servers loosing all their players. and now its a lonely place in our country on ark.

i just log in every other day to keep up with base maintenance and to reset the timers.
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bishop6363 Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:41pm 
Originally posted by FizzyX:
Originally posted by bishop6363:
I am perfectly happy to pay for DLC; even though I already bought it all in ASE. Its a for profit company, they got financial problems. I dont mind paying, BUT just the map the center, and I will probably pass. UNLESS there is something really really cool in the paid DLC.

I dont put weight into any company promises made by companies that already had a history - it is what it is,
and I dont expect anything worth having to be free.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - you bought ASA and are here complaining GG LOL

What you wrote is a beautiful example of how stupid people are and how obedient sheep can be. The Willcard company earned over 30 million euros from the sale of ASA, so I see no reason for it to be in financial trouble. In addition, if I buy a car with luxury equipment in advance, I will not expect to receive only the base with the justification that the company is in financial need. so I want what I paid for and if I don't get it I want my money back.. and not that steam tells me that I have played 2 hours and I'm not eligible... so I definitely don't like it.. because I wouldn't buy the game and wait up to the years-promised ARK2

#1 "so I see no reason for it to be in financial trouble" your ignorance of a companies financial situation is not an excuse for you.
#2 "f I buy a car with luxury " I own a luxury car BMW4LIFE ASE/ASA is nothing like a BMW, bad example.
#3 "played 2 hours and I'm not eligible" You knew who and what Snail and Wildcard were. fool me once shame on you, fool you twice and you will cry on steam.
FizzyX Feb 13, 2024 @ 12:55pm 
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Most likely they gonna sell us the maps again. lets just remember ASA was supposed to be free with ark 2, just that they promised us all the maps does not mean they will deliver that and they might not have a choice other than piss the players off even more and charge them for the maps or go bankrupt.

Centre is just a better Island. does not add much but i liked it and prefer it to island. would be better for them to be working on scorched...

But reality is people are mostly not playing due to the game not working or running terribly.

And they seem to have 0 focus on that. That's what they should do short term to retain players. But i fear they already lost many players permanently... People are F ing furious. i was mostly due to servers loosing all their players. and now its a lonely place in our country on ark.

i just log in every other day to keep up with base maintenance and to reset the timers. [/quote

Originally posted by Superchewbacca:
with the way things are going and if the YouTubers are to be believed this company is brokeish to broke and bleeding money fast.

Most likely they gonna sell us the maps again. lets just remember ASA was supposed to be free with ark 2, just that they promised us all the maps does not mean they will deliver that and they might not have a choice other than piss the players off even more and charge them for the maps or go bankrupt.

Centre is just a better Island. does not add much but i liked it and prefer it to island. would be better for them to be working on scorched...

But reality is people are mostly not playing due to the game not working or running terribly.

And they seem to have 0 focus on that. That's what they should do short term to retain players. But i fear they already lost many players permanently... People are F ing furious. i was mostly due to servers loosing all their players. and now its a lonely place in our country on ark.

i just log in every other day to keep up with base maintenance and to reset the timers.

try to use the r.Nanite.Max PixelsPerEdge 8 command in the console, it helped me a lot with optimization.... now I don't have FPS drops and the visual effect on the game is practically non-existent..
ProfDarkside Feb 13, 2024 @ 1:01pm 
This game burned out my 3080TI. Until there are some proper client-side stability updates, I'm not touching it. I got the card RMA'd, but its just not worth it to me right now to come back.
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