WildCard in debt

[TTCPSYCOTIC]

people tend to not know that wildcard was in the negative until nitrado saved their ass and ultimately ours. Wildcard and snail were over $1,000,000 in debt to nitrado. nitrado forced wild card to release the game earlier than they want or they would have failed their contract. Nitrado also invested $4,000,000 into wildcard for the release of ASA and Ark 2 we have ths game because of nitrado and wildcards deals can people be patient i promise they will give us way more attention because nitrados, wildcard and snailgames are allriding on this games success they need it they will give us what we want

[Caduryn]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Witski:

Talk for yourself.

check
Atlas
Dark and Light
Last Oasis
Ark Survival the Fittest
Outlaws of the Old West

this is their and WC work..
how do you feel about it? all of it hot pile of bugs, all of it abandoned

and then ASE
they just shutdown all servers to force ppl pay again for the same game
but they promised it will be free update and there will be no wipe and everyone can continue in progress

why exactly do you think that now come some miracle and ASA will be different than all WC games?

None of those Games beside ASF has anything to do with WC....

[TheBeesHeez]

Originally posted by Witski:

Originally posted by Noeat:

check
Atlas
Dark and Light
Last Oasis
Ark Survival the Fittest
Outlaws of the Old West

this is their and WC work..
how do you feel about it? all of it hot pile of bugs, all of it abandoned

and then ASE
they just shutdown all servers to force ppl pay again for the same game
but they promised it will be free update and there will be no wipe and everyone can continue in progress

why exactly do you think that now come some miracle and ASA will be different than all WC games?

Those games doesn't have anything to do with the discussion we had and means nothing.

The games you listed, most aren't anything to do with WildCard, they are Snailgames published, but different Dev teams; not WildCard.

[Sutha]

Originally posted by Witski:

Originally posted by Noeat:

check
Atlas
Dark and Light
Last Oasis
Ark Survival the Fittest
Outlaws of the Old West

this is their and WC work..
how do you feel about it? all of it hot pile of bugs, all of it abandoned

and then ASE
they just shutdown all servers to force ppl pay again for the same game
but they promised it will be free update and there will be no wipe and everyone can continue in progress

why exactly do you think that now come some miracle and ASA will be different than all WC games?

Those games doesn't have anything to do with the discussion we had and means nothing.

They are pointing out a pattern. Nothing gets finished. It all becomes abandoned. It's a quick way to get funds for their other projects instead of investing it what people are paying for.

[Noxsa]

Originally posted by jasoncormier89:

people tend to not know that wildcard was in the negative until nitrado saved their ass and ultimately ours. Wildcard and snail were over $1,000,000 in debt to nitrado. nitrado forced wild card to release the game earlier than they want or they would have failed their contract. Nitrado also invested $4,000,000 into wildcard for the release of ASA and Ark 2 we have ths game because of nitrado and wildcards deals can people be patient i promise they will give us way more attention because nitrados, wildcard and snailgames are allriding on this games success they need it they will give us what we want

so what you are saying is, Nitrado leeched money out of them, then forced them to release and "re-invested" the money they leeched in the first place... yea Nitrado the real hero here.
More like the vamp, that din't suck the corps completely dry. they probably suck the last bit out of wild card after the release of ARK2, mark my words.

[TheBeesHeez]

Originally posted by Noxsa:

Originally posted by jasoncormier89:

people tend to not know that wildcard was in the negative until nitrado saved their ass and ultimately ours. Wildcard and snail were over $1,000,000 in debt to nitrado. nitrado forced wild card to release the game earlier than they want or they would have failed their contract. Nitrado also invested $4,000,000 into wildcard for the release of ASA and Ark 2 we have ths game because of nitrado and wildcards deals can people be patient i promise they will give us way more attention because nitrados, wildcard and snailgames are allriding on this games success they need it they will give us what we want

so what you are saying is, Nitrado leeched money out of them, then forced them to release and "re-invested" the money they leeched in the first place... yea Nitrado the real hero here.
More like the vamp, that din't suck the corps completely dry. they probably suck the last bit out of wild card after the release of ARK2, mark my words.

This info is wrong. Snailgames owed 1mil to other companies, not Nitrado. The 4mil the Nitrado loaned was 1mil to cover their debts and 3mil investment.

[Noxsa]

problem with company's is, you really have no idea how much is self inflicted and or hostile take-over bull poop (said in an very general statement, not saying this was hostile)

usually they invest in things, they them self "secretly" kicked and punched down (again assuming and general statment)

[retsam1]

Just to clear and clarify some things here (and not in support of noeat who really just likes to engage in shenanigans more than anything):

Originally posted by Caduryn:

Originally posted by Noeat:

check
Atlas
Dark and Light
Last Oasis
Ark Survival the Fittest
Outlaws of the Old West

this is their and WC work..
how do you feel about it? all of it hot pile of bugs, all of it abandoned

and then ASE
they just shutdown all servers to force ppl pay again for the same game
but they promised it will be free update and there will be no wipe and everyone can continue in progress

why exactly do you think that now come some miracle and ASA will be different than all WC games?

None of those Games beside ASF has anything to do with WC....

The studios involved with making all those are owned by Snail games, including Wildcard (though to be clear grove street and instinct who developed ASA are not owned by Snail, just they were 3rd party rent-a-programmers for ASA(Instinct out of Egypt has worked on many parts of ASE too). Snail has owned Wildcard since December 2015.

Altas though was made more directly by Wildcard under the studio called grapeshot games which is actually same offices of the Gainesville wildcard offices and recently many of those who worked on atlas have changed their twitter profiles to say they're on Ark/wildcard again.

Originally posted by TheBeesHeez:

Originally posted by Noxsa:

so what you are saying is, Nitrado leeched money out of them, then forced them to release and "re-invested" the money they leeched in the first place... yea Nitrado the real hero here.
More like the vamp, that din't suck the corps completely dry. they probably suck the last bit out of wild card after the release of ARK2, mark my words.

This info is wrong. Snailgames owed 1mil to other companies, not Nitrado. The 4mil the Nitrado loaned was 1mil to cover their debts and 3mil investment.

To be clear, Snail was 3 months in arrears for over 1 million to Nitrado for the period of March to June of this year. It was outlined as part of the agreement to defer it by Nitrado and as well give an additional 3 million to Snail.

Snail's agreement filed with the SEC in August:

https://investor.snail.com/node/7086/html

However in a recently leaked internal memo to NItrado employees concerned about the controversies going on (and covered by gaming news folks) the CEO of Nitrado stated it was actually 4 million (though that may be a blurring of the deferment and the loan.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ARK/comments/17kstw5/nitrado_staff_message_from_the_managing_director/

https://massivelyop.com/2023/11/01/nitrado-ceo-claims-ark-survival-ascended-would-never-have-existed-without-its-4m-loan/

Originally posted by Noxsa:

so what you are saying is, Nitrado leeched money out of them, then forced them to release and "re-invested" the money they leeched in the first place... yea Nitrado the real hero here.
More like the vamp, that din't suck the corps completely dry. they probably suck the last bit out of wild card after the release of ARK2, mark my words.

More aptly, the evidence is simply more compelling that Snail self inflicted their fiscal accountability challenges on themselves and painted themselves into a corner. Having thus leverage on Snail, Nitrado pounced on the opportunity to take advantage of that situation and ultimately Snail, in their seeming desperation accepted.

Snail took their revenue from ark and diverted much of it to 20+ other projects up to and including a now bankrupt EV car company. Nooblets did a mostly ok job on reporting about this already weeks and weeks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKzhie_25hU


And again this needs all the context of understanding:

- Close to 80% of Snails revenue has been with Ark
- There are still 2 outstanding loans from other lenders due December and January respectively.

These are all outlined in the August Quarterly report filing with the SEC as well:

https://investor.snail.com/node/7121/html




So with Steam taking 30% of the games revenue(their standard take) and Nitrado taking 20% of the revenue of ASA, this means before the 20+ other projects(that havent failed... include new recently announced ones having also nothing to do with Ark) they're already down 50%. Then factor those 20+ projects and then factor continued development of ASA AND Ark 2 and then yes.... things are seemingly rather precarious.

[Smoka95]

Originally posted by DisabledChat:

Originally posted by normative:

The difference was we were kids and our parents were naive. Now we're in our 30s and 40s and we want products that work in exchange for the money we're paying, just like our parents would have about whatever analogue hobby they had.

Sorry man, but this argument that we want a working product for the money we pay, doesnt matter how much you wish for it, doesnt apply at early access products. This is a fact that doesnt allow any argumentation. You buy the title for a reduced price compared to what the full release would cost, you agree to problems and most importantly, you agree to the risk of the product to either never be finished or to stay forever with bugs. If u are not able to agree those facts, the solution is so simple, dont buy. There are zero rights for expectation on EA!

Its wild how tone deaf you are. So ARK SE left EA like what 6 years ago? So why after leaving EA gamebreaking bugs were still in the game we all know they profited heavily from the game despite that not enough resources were spent on bug fixing. I mean they have made over 1.3B from the last report I've happen to read this year. So how much of that money was spent on fixing major gamebreaking bugs like meshing, because it was never fixed on ASE, sure it isn't fixed on ASA. Lets scale down a bit lets talk about hit register being absolutely broken and the notorious bug with crossbow/longneck reload. Why none of the minor notorious bugs weren't addressed at least. Like the reload bug you can't tell me its as hard to fix meshing for example.

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Caduryn:

Originally posted by Noeat:

check
Atlas
Dark and Light
Last Oasis
Ark Survival the Fittest
Outlaws of the Old West

this is their and WC work..
how do you feel about it? all of it hot pile of bugs, all of it abandoned

and then ASE
they just shutdown all servers to force ppl pay again for the same game
but they promised it will be free update and there will be no wipe and everyone can continue in progress

why exactly do you think that now come some miracle and ASA will be different than all WC games?

None of those Games beside ASF has anything to do with WC....

and thats a lie
it is all the same dev team, they just use different names.. it is part of their scam
they even claim that they have no time to fix ASE, because they work on Atlas..
all was the same ppl, the same dev team

and all is published by Snail.. your lack of knowledge cant change reality

try answer this:

why exactly do you think that now come some miracle and ASA will be different than all WC games?

[Misogree]

i will never understand why people try to guilt trip others from voicing their opinions against things. the only way i can wrap my head around it is the people who work within these companies themselves are here trying to silence the people who have a negative opinion on their product. why else would someone try and silence others?

[Smoka95]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CEEjCcN3t8 Clearly Ark had nothing to do with Atlas nor their dev team RIGHT?

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Caduryn:

None of those Games beside ASF has anything to do with WC....

and thats a lie
it is all the same dev team, they just use different names.. it is part of their scam
they even claim that they have no time to fix ASE, because they work on Atlas..
all was the same ppl, the same dev team

and all is published by Snail.. your lack of knowledge cant change reality

try answer this:

why exactly do you think that now come some miracle and ASA will be different than all WC games?

Not all the same dev team for all the games listed. Some use the same team yes but not all as I explained in my post. There are some different development studios though all are owned by Snail (again except Grove street and Instinct who mainly made ASA for Wildcard) yes but again, not all the same dev team. Again anyone with google can figure that out...

You really like to spam "lies/you lie" to anyone who disagrees with you. You seem to like to do this on almost every thread you decide to engage your inane antics on.

You're being silly.

[Cobretti]

Originally posted by jasoncormier89:

people tend to not know that wildcard was in the negative until nitrado saved their ass

Everyone knows this, it has been discussed on these forums for months,

I really don't understand people like you OP. You watch a public youtube video and your logic is "hey, even though this is a 2 month old public video, maybe I should post it on forums as breaking news".

You are late to the party, been discussed to death, go back to youtube.

[Noeat]

Originally posted by smokleto_95:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CEEjCcN3t8 Clearly Ark had nothing to do with Atlas nor their dev team RIGHT?

i will add this info

Grapeshot Games
Grapeshot Games is both the publisher and co-developer of ATLAS along with Instinct Games. Grapeshot Games was created by two of the co-founders behind Studio Wild Card, the developer behind ARK: Survival Evolved, Jeremy Stieglitz and Jesse Rapczak.

https://atlas.fandom.com/wiki/Grapeshot_Games

btw: there is more fake companies / sister companies what are related to WC and where the same devs are making blatant clones of Ark.
heck even ASE is tagged with different name of dev studio in some countries :D
because they tried to avoid bad reputation

[TTCPSYCOTIC]

Originally posted by Witski:

Originally posted by Vantus:

On the contrary, "Back in the day" products were released at 1.0 in fully working condition.
Due to games being physical (cartridges then CD's) the development process was more meticulous and announcement trailers weren't put out 5 years before the product was shipped - pressuring them into early release.

"Generation Complain" isn't something that happened overnight, it was the result of slowly degrading product quality, mis-sold products, marketing mismanagement, lying and abuse of "Early Access" markets. All the while consumer cost increases.

Developers can lay back and watch the cash roll in on their early access title, smile at the complaints, slap a "Finished" label on a buggy, half-arsed title and use the winnings to fund their next Early Access game (scam).

Rinse and repeat.

Not to say Ark is by any means a scam, but I think customer complacency is a very strange thing to encourage, especially for a company with a growing track record of not patching serious bugs in a timely manner and mismanagement of funding.

But hey, enjoy your Audi without the wheels and breaks, I'm sure they'll eventually provide you with them in a few years. They've got your money so why should they rush?

Hah,"back in the day" people keep their bugged game if not had to pirate the right version of patches or have the luck that the cd-dvd magazine had the right ones in the bonus section.
Trow away the rose tinted glasses, back then was a nightmare compared to today, the difference was people were humble and had the capacity of understanding.

not so much being complacent with an unfinished game its the fact EVERYONE KNEW it was unfinished and forced to release early due to contract negotiations. They bought the game then complained it was unfinished. all i said was be patient they are listening you know be optimistic that they are even doing this for us to begin with. my best gaming moments in my life were on summer break on this buggy piece of turd. i have hope they will make this one way better and in my opinion its already better i dont crash or experience frame drops guess im a lucky one and no i dont have a god pc i play on a lapto p with ryzen 9 16 gb ram and a 2060