Early access with $$$$$ DLC no thankyou

[spika]

So saw this, saw the positive reviews and thought I would take a look, this is going to be another one of those games that demands hundreds of dollars ? Its just early access and already a season pass higher priced that most other games season passes, which going by other reviewers locks content we should have access to behind it, like mulitplayer?
WTF , that's really disappointing . Im all for paid DLC but why not just charge more for your game and scrub the DLC until its actually released, or release it as optional content like POE2 that we don't need to own to actually play the game ? then , again like POE2, if people love the game they will choose to buy the content but not be forced to ...

So over all the dodgy dlc practices these days , kind of ruins a lot of games, as I tend to stop playing those games knowing I one day may succumb to having to pay for that DLC I really don't want just to progress so I end up ignoring those games instead until one drunken night I decide to get back into it and before i know it .....

[FaultyJawa]

Opprinnelig skrevet av jellobiafra:

You can do an online race now and again without DLC, but you'll probably reach a limit pretty quickly.

This is objectively not true. The only thing missing from the base content are a few cars and two tracks. There is one free car in each class of the 2024 content, and daily/weekly races are routinely using the base tracks, especially the Rookie series.

Even on weeks where there is a DLC track being used for one race, there is another in the same series that's using a base track. So there is always a multiplayer option for people who only own the base game.

[Czar]

mm hmm...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVrEwCa8nSA

[Logie]

Jesus, remember why i don't go on the steam discussions, full of melons.

Basegame got most the tracks, you can get the McLaren GT3 for free (Which is actually one of the top GT3s atm)

Sub is only for online champ, only costs $40 for a year which is nothing.

[Czar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Logie:

Jesus, remember why i don't go on the steam discussions, full of melons.

Basegame got most the tracks, you can get the McLaren GT3 for free (Which is actually one of the top GT3s atm)

Sub is only for online champ, only costs $40 for a year which is nothing.

Hey hey hey.... no comon sense allowed here!

[RicME85]

The devs were going bust, the DLC gave them the extra cash flow to keep running and finishing the game. Early Access is to help fund games where the devs don't have the financials to complete a game to the desired scope.
If there had been DLC added and then no updates, I would agree its not a good look but this inst it. The devs who stay in early access for years on end and sell DLC to continue lining their coffers just because they have found a cash cow have tarnished Early Access programs.

[shadow82]

Opprinnelig skrevet av FaultyJawa:

Opprinnelig skrevet av jellobiafra:

You can do an online race now and again without DLC, but you'll probably reach a limit pretty quickly.

This is objectively not true. The only thing missing from the base content are a few cars and two tracks.

3 tracks, soon to be 4 i.e. more than 30% of total tracks available in-game are behind a paywall, after a year. ONE year. For example, there is no way to currently do the weekly event without DLC, following your statement should not the weekly also offer 2 types then ? Feel free to spin it the way you want, not having a sub or the DLC will always lock you out of bits of content each and every week. Pretending otherwise is just living in denial and straight up a lie to any potential new player.

Everything in-game is just built-in to incentivize cash-in, otherwise, why is it that anytime I wanna race GT3s I end up on a screen asking me to buy DLC until I scroll to the Macca ? Should not the Macca be the first in the list ? :) This is just intruvise and predatory behavior worthy of a mobile-game.

[FaultyJawa]

Opprinnelig skrevet av shadow82:

Opprinnelig skrevet av FaultyJawa:

This is objectively not true. The only thing missing from the base content are a few cars and two tracks.

3 tracks, soon to be 4 i.e. more than 30% of total tracks available in-game are behind a paywall, after a year. ONE year. For example, there is no way to currently do the weekly event without DLC, following your statement should not the weekly also offer 2 types then ? Feel free to spin it the way you want, not having a sub or the DLC will always lock you out of bits of content each and every week. Pretending otherwise is just living in denial and straight up a lie to any potential new player.

Everything in-game is just built-in to incentivize cash-in, otherwise, why is it that anytime I wanna race GT3s I end up on a screen asking me to buy DLC until I scroll to the Macca ? Should not the Macca be the first in the list ? :) This is just intruvise and predatory behavior worthy of a mobile-game.

You're right, it was 3 tracks. My mistake.

And yes, the weekly race is a DLC track. But that's not always the case. And every Daily series (Beginner, Inter, Expert) has at least one race that's a base content track.

The only point I'm making is that multiplayer as a whole is not locked behind DLC or a subscription. I'm not going to argue about the pricing model with anyone. People can feel however they want about it. All I can say to anyone who thinks it's predatory is - if you think THIS is bad, don't go look at iRacing.

[rallysmo]

broken game, numbers dont lie

[FliXis]

Paid DLC before the end of early access is not good, but it is much better than if the developers went bankrupt and could not continue development. And the game itself turned out to be very worthy and interesting, it clearly deserves further life

[Lukizockt]

If you don't want to pay for the dlcs then simply don't. Nobody is forcing you. But just saying, my personal opinion, you really miss out. This game is one of the best games I ever played and it's close to leave early access

[shadow82]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lukizockt:

it's close to leave early access

Source ?

[Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Logie:

Jesus, remember why i don't go on the steam discussions, full of melons.

Basegame got most the tracks, you can get the McLaren GT3 for free (Which is actually one of the top GT3s atm)

Sub is only for online champ, only costs $40 for a year which is nothing.

Are you deliberately closing your eyes to the truth or do you want to troll here?

Daily races: There were 2 races available. I couldn't join the one race because I didn't buy the track dlc. For the other race, registration was only possible with sub = paywall

Championship: only with a sub =Paywall

Hosted races: to host a temporary lobby for a few hours you have to pay 6 € to top up 500cr = paywall

At the hosted races yesterday there was only one that was not password protected. However, it had a DLC, which meant that it was not possible to join here either.

For me as a buyer of the main game, there was no possibility to race online at that time. No matter where I clicked up. It has been looking like this for days.

That's how it was for me every evening whenever I started the sim. Only the first two evenings I was able to ride on a training server.

But you probably don't notice all these things when you put all your money into this sim. Then of course it's easy to claim that everything works without dlc and sub.

In my eyes, such statements are simply ignorant and ridiculous.

And you want to call people melons here. I really can't think of anything else to say.

[jellobiafra]

"this simply isn't correct."
"Just NOT correct."
"This is objectively not true."

We are slowly getting closer to a lie.

[oliver.johann]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹:

Daily races: There were 2 races available. I couldn't join the one race because I didn't buy the track dlc. For the other race, registration was only possible with sub = paywall

What other race was that? Beginner races never use DLC tracks. Intermediate, advanced races, weekly races and special events occasionally use DLC tracks.
And if you want to register for the race after the next race, that is indeed a pro feature (extended registraton). Without a sub you can only register for the next race.

[Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹]

Opprinnelig skrevet av oliver.johann:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹:

Daily races: There were 2 races available. I couldn't join the one race because I didn't buy the track dlc. For the other race, registration was only possible with sub = paywall

What other race was that? Beginner races never use DLC tracks. Intermediate, advanced races, weekly races and special events occasionally use DLC tracks.

It was a beginner race. What you say is wrong. I couldn't participate because it was a DLC track.