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But whatever.
Having unfair/bad setups doesn't make it any easier to beginners to learn the game or climb the ladder to race in non-fixed setups races.
Or just use the meta car and deal with it.
"But whatever."
If we want more fair races online I think people shouldn't be forced to use fixed-setups
ACC is a good example of good base setups for every car/track.
There, now you understand.
Having good base setups is different than forcing the use of fixed setups. There is a reason Aris was spending so much time developping those setups and then teaching how to tweak them in his streams.
Yes, the default should be there to be competitive enough if you do not want to invest yourself more. But in addition to default, LMU partnered with CDA to provide good base setups for folks not having time to invest (as you claim). Considering that, I do not see the point of forcing everyone to use fixed default, give at least the choice between default and CDA (would be similar to default an aggressive in ACC then).
Right now, it just gives you a bad experience and teaches you bad habbits by imposing overly-understeery setups (which in turn create all kind of problems: harder time to turn in, BB below 50 becoming the norm, exagerated front wear,...).
I really don't understand... unless devs are trying actively to steer you away as long as possible from setups because their game engine is rubbish (lol at this camber and tyre pressure screen, this might as well not exists). At least Rennsport is straight with that.
1. It's impossible to get the tires into the working window.
2. A fixed setup favors players whose driving style suits it better than players who don't.
The solution: A few settings for the driving value should be allowed, so you can at least influence whether you have a more stable or nervous rear end. There should also be some influence on tire temperatures. Personally, I like a nervous rear end and can't handle understeer at all. These radical fixed setups are completely against my driving style.
Agreed on this. When there are regular updates happening to physics and tire models, fixed setups need to be adjusted. There are sooo many sims that drop the ball on this. I like his idea in the video - give the cars to people who can get them all within two tenths of one another and start from there.
Getting rid of fixed setups entirely isn't the answer, because a large chunk of players are going to run the base setup regardless if they can adjust it or not. Then you create even more disparity in lap times than there already is, which is going to lead to people getting discouraged or bored. Or, it creates a situation where people are having to go and pay for meta setups to be competitive, which compounds an already tricky situation with the pricing model that's been the #1 critique of LMU by the wider sim racing community.
What non-sense you spin. It is just as much, if not more, discouraging and boring to be forced to use fixed setups. You have no agenda on how your car behaves and might be forced to drive a specific car due to its default setups being more suitable for your driving style. It also does not level the playing field the way you think it would, "aliens" will adapt way more easily to a fixed setup. This is just stupid.
In regards to pay setup, the game ship with free Coach Dave setups (that are not available for GT3s currently) and not available at all in fixed races for god knows why. In addition there is enough content creators and players that provide free setups, never ever have I had to swipe my credit card to get proper setups on any sims. But even considering a paid setups scheme, it would be a good value to have, for example, a subscriptions to CDA included in one of the tier of subscription offered by S397, that would actually give a good reason for the tier model.
I agree and disagree at the same time. Fixed setups may be more boring and discouraging IF you are a player who doesn't like fixed setups. But again, there are A LOT of players who are just going to use fixed setups, even if they have the choice not to. And while it doesn't manufacture a perfectly level playing field, it still creates more parity than it eliminates in a fixed setup race/series (when it's done right). And since fixed setups are specifically for beginner series, parity is way more important to generate competitiveness.
The video hits the issue at its core - parity doesn't exist at all right now in GT3 because the fixed setups aren't balanced.
And when we're talking about aliens, we're talking about 1% of the player base. So I'm not factoring them into the conversation. I'm more focused on majorities.
On one hand, I'm with you. I don't like fixed setups, and most sims have garbage fixed setups anyway (ACC and iRacing being somewhat exceptions). I was stoked for the Aston, but I won't take it anywhere near a fixed setup lobby. That's very discouraging, and eliminates an entire category of races that I can't/won't do.
On the other hand, I'm thinking of people other than myself. A lot of people just want to jump into a race and not have to ♥♥♥♥ with anything. A lot of people have limited time (work, kids, school, life). They should have something available to them that doesn't require any hoops to jump through, and lets them be as equally competitive as possible with any car (which is not what we have right now in GT3).
I think a happy medium would be just making the free CD setups the default fixed setups. And also agreed that including a CDA membership with one of the RC+ subs would be a great idea.
iRacing has great success with fixed setups and they tend to be the most popular series by far. At first when they introduced fixed setups, people were complaining just like they are here but once they actually hired the right people to make stable but fast setups for average people with average wheel setups, things got a lot better...
Just need the right people making setups with a few notes for wheels, and understand that you make a fast setup with full gas, make it more stable, a bit more understeary and done. Don't make an alien setup with no df that only a few people can drive...
So for the sake of those folks we need to limit everyone ? Hard disagree. Give players choice, not limit them. Seems to be the motto of S397 : limit players options for everything. You choose to not invest time in setting up your car ? Yeah maybe you deserve to be slower, that's how it should be, not the other way around.
Not all studios can pretend to have class drivers able to develop proper default setups. All you do by forcing down the throat fixed setup is making folks unhappy and adding work to yourself due to an undending balancing issue you will face in term of bop.
Lose-lose situation, but this studio seem to love to those lose-lose situation for all decisions they take.