Am I missing something?

[craig_sims]

EDIT: After hours of tinkering and getting the ffb semi decent I have to say that LMU has really good satisfying physics but i'm struggling to get those physics communicated through the ffb, it was the same with a lot of the cars in rf2. Either LMU doesn't have great ffb for direct drive wheels or it just doesnt play nice with simucube bases. After a bit of research though it seems that a lot of people aren't happy with ffb with some effects being way too harsh like curbs and some effects being non existent like low to medium speed corners. But all of this is subjective of course and I can imagine that if someone has the ffb setup to their liking then LMU must be a really satsfying and rewarding sim to drive, and I'll defo be putting a lot more hours into it!


I finally bought this game and all the dlc and i'm really unimpressed. I've been simracing for 15 years and spent most of that time on iracing although I've spent loads of time on every sim and loved rf2 when it was at it's best. I've held off on lmu because I find gt3's dreadfully boring to drive but because of the good things i'd heard about the physics and the new online ranked racing i thought i'd leave iracing for a year and play this with a racecontrol sub and AMS2 on lfm.
I am loving AMS2 but this feels awful, ffb is okay in some cars but others just feel weird or plain bad in others. The lmp2 has to be the worst version i've driven in any sim, its just a big understeery mess with no front end grip, its painful to drive and the ffb is terrible. I've tried messing around with the setup to sort it out but nothing works.
None of my setups save, the loading times are horrendous, I'm getting flickering where my screen changes tint/colour every few seconds (a problem i had in rf2), the game crashes alot and sometimes i lose audio.
I'm really regretting spending just over £100 on this with a racecontrol subscription as i cant see me playing this at all. I really thought i'd love this as I love rf2 at it's best, but like rf2, this seems like it's going to be the same where 10% of it is magical but the other 90% is just either weird, bad or a bit of a buggy mess. Fingers crossed it improves but I have serious buyers remorse and even worse that the money goes to motorsport games.

[LoucMachine]

I just bought the season pass and been fiddling for the past few hours... I am absolutely baffled by the FFB. What is going on? it like past a certain point its just constant force and you get no info if you are understeering or still having grip. That makes it impossible to know when the back will step out...

Am I missing something? I am using a simucube 2 pro and an online profile and use the recommended in game settings...

I also cannot see myself playing this in this state. zero enjoyment...

[craig_sims]

I have a SC pro 2 aswell. I found that in rfactor2 when i upgraded from a belt driven base the ffb got worse with the direct drive.
Going over curbs in LMU rattles the teeth out of your head and also the curbs pull the car into them, meaning you need to use more steering angle than required to get the car off of them, which is ridiculous. Honestly can't believe i've just paid what I have for this game when I already own ams2 which has way more content, runs and performs way better, looks better for a fraction of the price. Oh well, my bad.

[szelljr]

" Am I missing something? "

NO.

[driv3zAr0und]

The FFB feels fantastic to me, so its either a wheel setting issue at your end (there are recommended settings on the Discord), or it's a wheel base issue.

I think there are some issues with certain wheel bases, not sure where the issue lies but I think the devs are aware.

Either way, it works great for me, feels similar to rF2, better than AMS2, and about a metric tonn better than iRacing.

[darkdeus]

I've also been simracing for 15+ years and I've found that LMU has the best physics, ffb, and graphics yet, especially in VR. I'm a huge AMS2 fan and beta supporter as well, though. I've also put hundreds of hours into AC and rally sims.

To me the ffb and sense of weight, tire grip, and rolling resistance in LMU feels the most intuitive and natural on my Moza r12. It also looks amazing in VR with my oculus quest pro and 8X MSAA. AMS2 looks great as well but has the shadow flicker issues in VR.

The main issue I have right now with AMS2 2 is that the rolling resistance of the tires feels too high. Something about the feeling of coasting is just a bit off. Overall the 1.6 update was a huge improvement, and there's a lot of great unique content in AMS2, but LMU just feels so incredible right now. I would give LMU a bit more time.

It's hard to say if it's your setup, or just down to subjective feel, though. I would try the GTE's at Sebring and see what you think. The FFB for the GTE's is much better than the LMP2, which probably has the worst FFB in LMU for me.

[craig_sims]

Yeah that's fair enough but tbh there were cars in rfactor 2 that felt amazing with great dynamic physics and good ffb but they were so few and far between.
I don't think the rfactor2 engine works well with simucube bases tbh.
But putting aside ffb I challenge anyone to race the LMP2 at the same track on ams2 and lmu and not feel that the ams2 version is miles better. lmu's version might be more realistic but i doubt it as iracings is closer to ams2's than lmu's. I only really bought this game for the prototypes so for this one to be so horrible to drive I just can't see me playing it.
Good luck to the people who can getting feeling how they want it to though, I can imagine its very good as rf2 really can be at times.

[darkdeus]

Yes, the LMP2 really is fantastic in AMS2. It's probably one of the best feeling cars in the whole sim. Driving it at Sebring the other day felt amazing.

It's too bad you can't get your simucube base to feel better with LMU too. Have you tried assigning the FFB reset button to your wheel and resetting during a race in LMU? I had to do that after the GT3 update to bring back the FFB feel. It felt horrible after the recent GT3 update but I knew something was off since it had felt so good in the GTE cars.

Since fixing the FFB in LMU it's actually a bit easier to drive than AMS2. AMS2 still has a very forgiving slip angle and nice feel but I actually have an easier time catching the slides in LMU once the back end goes.

[djfil007]

Originally posted by craig_sims:

I found that in rfactor2 when i upgraded from a belt driven base the ffb got worse with the direct drive.

Welcome to Direct Drive life, where you'll want a new profile for almost every game. That said, yes rF2 required lots of added filtering and other tweaks before I was satisfied with it for my Simucube. In the inverse, for me it was Assetto Corsa that I never got feeling right and have almost entirely ignored since I jumped to Direct Drive (8 years ago now, still running my OG Simucube OSW).

Originally posted by craig_sims:

because I find gt3's dreadfully boring to drive

Welcome to the club, it's also why I don"t own LMU, but am here because still interested to follow players insights and reviews (even for sims I don't play... and I own all of them, except LMU and ACC).

[Jawzzzz]

That’s a bummer you bought everything all at once without even trying the base game with the cars supplied
It’s also very unfortunate that you feel this game is so unrealistic when so many real WEC drivers feel the opposite
Could it be that the iracing physics are just”after 15 yrs” of racing are what you’ve become used to?….and maybe LMU is more lifelike than say games from 15 yrs ago?
I’m not trying to be negative here…I just think you should approach LMU which is still a EA game with a more open mind.

[craig_sims]

Originally posted by dddffy1:

That’s a bummer you bought everything all at once without even trying the base game with the cars supplied
It’s also very unfortunate that you feel this game is so unrealistic when so many real WEC drivers feel the opposite
Could it be that the iracing physics are just”after 15 yrs” of racing are what you’ve become used to?….and maybe LMU is more lifelike than say games from 15 yrs ago?
I’m not trying to be negative here…I just think you should approach LMU which is still a EA game with a more open mind.

I am not saying its not realistic, the reason I bought it all is becuase I was sure it would be the most realistic sim out there. That's why I am so dissapointed with the LMP2 and the ffb.
Although I think good (admittedly subjective) forcefeedback can make or break a sim for most people.

[LoucMachine]

Originally posted by dddffy1:

That’s a bummer you bought everything all at once without even trying the base game with the cars supplied
It’s also very unfortunate that you feel this game is so unrealistic when so many real WEC drivers feel the opposite
Could it be that the iracing physics are just”after 15 yrs” of racing are what you’ve become used to?….and maybe LMU is more lifelike than say games from 15 yrs ago?
I’m not trying to be negative here…I just think you should approach LMU which is still a EA game with a more open mind.

Nobody says the game/physics are not realistic, it is the FFB that is not realistic, and it has been pointed out by real life drivers also.

The problem is that if you are not feeling like you are understeering in most corners (especially slow ones) you are not turning you steering enough. You are slow and dont work the tires enough to keep them warm. Then you have to guess where the grip is because the FFB is telling you you are understeering anyways. It makes no sens and no other sim ever behaved like this, nothing to do with ''15 years of iracing''.

[FaultyJawa]

If you've fiddled around with brake bias (if using fixed setups) and/or car setups to correct the understeer, the only thing I can say is that FFB will eternally be a subjective thing. Maybe try to find custom FFB profiles online for your setup and see if that helps.

[Mauro]

Originally posted by craig_sims:

Originally posted by dddffy1:

That’s a bummer you bought everything all at once without even trying the base game with the cars supplied
It’s also very unfortunate that you feel this game is so unrealistic when so many real WEC drivers feel the opposite
Could it be that the iracing physics are just”after 15 yrs” of racing are what you’ve become used to?….and maybe LMU is more lifelike than say games from 15 yrs ago?
I’m not trying to be negative here…I just think you should approach LMU which is still a EA game with a more open mind.

I am not saying its not realistic, the reason I bought it all is becuase I was sure it would be the most realistic sim out there. That's why I am so dissapointed with the LMP2 and the ffb.
Although I think good (admittedly subjective) forcefeedback can make or break a sim for most people.

Dont forget that tyres are cold (current air temp as there are no heating blankets) and yes cars (especially the LMP2s) are undrivable during 1 - 2 laps

[shadow82]

Originally posted by craig_sims:

I'm really regretting spending just over £100

I mean...

You brought this to yourself. I bought it prior release full of enthusiasm and optimism, ready to support this team, all let down within a month of start of early access, by the team lack of reactivity (I played again this past week to test GT3s and was baffled to still see bugs and issues I raised in February totally ignored, for reference Reiza fixed all the bugs I reported in the past two weeks in their latest patch for AMS2...) and the "amazing" community. So I had an "excuse" so to speak to fall into the trap and promises from before release.

On the other hand, you had :

• 10 months EA to look back at with all the reviews.
  
• All the subjective opinions on this game.
  
• The Steam score (which is the lowest of all sims).
  
• The SteamChart which this game feature right at the bottom alongside rF2 for the past 9 months.
  
• The warning in this very forum, if you just looked at reviews and posts.
  
• Your own experience with prior release from this studio (which let's face it, this game is just a spin off of).

But you still bought it and double dipped with the subscription. All your fault, really.

[Aysedasi]

And on the other hand, there are plenty of people posting here who have had (and continue to have) a fantastic experience and consider every penny spent so far to be very well spent. Life is all about choices and maximising those choices, some have managed to do that, some unfortunately have not.