Just bought bundle after watching Asmons video about the drama. Will drop some review soon to counter bs that happened. Artur, big respect for what you did.

I will continue to ban baiting with the same questions already answered multiple times as well as repeating of lies spread in /r/roguelikes subreddit, which have been debunked.

Originally posted by AuDHD Khaziir Everflight:

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

- People don't seem to realise that gay people existed in medieval times and beyond. If you actually want something historically accurate then bring on the gays. See Romans.

doesnt matter.

the function of marriage in this game is exclusively expanding your lineage, meaning offspring, meaning same sex couples would do nothing in that regard, meaning it is wasted code that does not add anything to the game that is actually needed. Why should he waste time on something that would hold zero gameplay value, when he could use that same time and ammount of code for something actually useful in the game that adds gameplay.

- Same sex marriages could work the same as hetero marriages and fulfil the exact same gameplay function. The babies are brought by storks anyway.
- Marriage isn't just functional, it's something that helps us build stories, which I think is really important in this type of freeform game E.g. adventurer finds riches, gets married, has kid, gets killed by owl people, kid seeks revenge against owl people etc
- Loads of stuff in Soulash is for flavour, vibe or fun. Are Mushmen essential for the function of the game?

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

- Same sex marriages could work the same as hetero marriages and fulfil the exact same gameplay function. The babies are brought by storks anyway.

No. You're going back to 2 weeks ago. This is not happening.

Originally posted by Green spleen submarine:

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

Just caught up on this. My thoughts:
- Agree that the internet mob went berserk unfairly.
- Agree that Artur has been falsely framed as a bigot, when his comments have been respectful. Artur didn't deserve this reaction.
- Don't understand Artur's argument about why a toggle can't be included. No one ever asked for a new relationship system. It's about the optional removal of the restriction on same-sex marriage/stork babies. Maybe it's a bigger change than I understand though.
- People don't seem to realise that gay people existed in medieval times and beyond. If you actually want something historically accurate then bring on the gays. See Romans.
- There are also gay animals for people who like to make out like being gay is unnatural. See ducks.
- There's awful homophobia in the comments now. I'm straight and the vibes around the game are stinking.
- Even if Artur sees this a victory against extremism, the bigots that have flocked to Soulash 2 see this as a victory against LGBTQ folk.
- Given that this thread has 30 pages I doubt this matter is over. Personally I think Artur should add the feature for the LGBTQ folk and cater to the people who are here because they like Soulash 2 – as opposed to the people who are here because they hate LGBTQ people.

Peace

I feel you're on to something here. It started off with an unacceptable behavior and not accepting a reasoned response, but now it has become a bit of a rallying flag for a homophobic audience - even though it was not the intention of the Dev's response.

And personally, I think you're both looking for dog whistles where there are none.

People are nuts and always want things their way. They're just bullies. Great job on putting your foot down.

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

Originally posted by AuDHD Khaziir Everflight:

doesnt matter.

the function of marriage in this game is exclusively expanding your lineage, meaning offspring, meaning same sex couples would do nothing in that regard, meaning it is wasted code that does not add anything to the game that is actually needed. Why should he waste time on something that would hold zero gameplay value, when he could use that same time and ammount of code for something actually useful in the game that adds gameplay.

- Same sex marriages could work the same as hetero marriages and fulfil the exact same gameplay function. The babies are brought by storks anyway.
- Marriage isn't just functional, it's something that helps us build stories, which I think is really important in this type of freeform game E.g. adventurer finds riches, gets married, has kid, gets killed by owl people, kid seeks revenge against owl people etc
- Loads of stuff in Soulash is for flavour, vibe or fun. Are Mushmen essential for the function of the game?

Dev says no, so that'S that. accept it, or leave. Their game, their choice.

Originally posted by Nightmare Moon:

Originally posted by Green spleen submarine:

I feel you're on to something here. It started off with an unacceptable behavior and not accepting a reasoned response, but now it has become a bit of a rallying flag for a homophobic audience - even though it was not the intention of the Dev's response.

And personally, I think you're both looking for dog whistles where there are none.

Dog whistles are blown intentionally. Never said this was one.

But the hounds smelled blood here, so they think its a hunting ground.

Originally posted by Green spleen submarine:

Originally posted by Nightmare Moon:

And personally, I think you're both looking for dog whistles where there are none.

Dog whistles are blown intentionally. Never said this was one.

But the hounds smelled blood here, so they think its a hunting ground.

Considering what was done to the dev and how the LGBT crowd still hasn't yet muzzled their extremists? Past a point even as a militant egalitarian ( "you have the exact same rights you allow others, not a femtometer more") I just go "you reap what you sow and those idiots have been sowing fire tornados level of ♥♥♥♥".

Originally posted by Nightmare Moon:

Originally posted by Green spleen submarine:

I feel you're on to something here. It started off with an unacceptable behavior and not accepting a reasoned response, but now it has become a bit of a rallying flag for a homophobic audience - even though it was not the intention of the Dev's response.

And personally, I think you're both looking for dog whistles where there are none.

I wasn't looking for anything. But by the time I'd caught up on the story via 2 videos, 1 article, 2 steam threads, Artur's twitter and a skim of discord, I was shocked by how many homophobic remarks I'd read by people who were waving the flag of victory. It left a bad taste in my mouth and I wanted to say something, that's it.

Originally posted by Artur Smiarowski:

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

- Same sex marriages could work the same as hetero marriages and fulfil the exact same gameplay function. The babies are brought by storks anyway.

No. You're going back to 2 weeks ago. This is not happening.

Hmm not really sure how to reply without you considering it to be bait.

I think one of the issues with the internet is everyone gets lumped into groups and narratives very easily. I'm not gay, part of a 'mob' and have I never been on /r/roguelikes. I wasn't here two weeks ago, but I play your game and that was my honest opinion. Take it or leave it.

I appreciate the efforts you clearly put into your game and I agree that you should make the game you want to make, even if I don't understand the reasons you give for not including this feature.

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

I appreciate the efforts you clearly put into your game and I agree that you should make the game you want to make,

Few moments later...

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

even if I don't understand the reasons you give for not including this feature.

lol
Cause he wants to make the game he wants? Perhaps, maybe... o.O

Originally posted by Morton Salt:

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

I appreciate the efforts you clearly put into your game and I agree that you should make the game you want to make,

Few moments later...

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

even if I don't understand the reasons you give for not including this feature.

lol

Yes those two things can be true at the same time :|

Based dev. Bought a copy because it looks like my kind of game. All of my gay friends ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hate the rainbow mafia and think that LGB should be separate from the T+ nonsense.
I'll be spreading the word to my pals and hopefully you'll get some new customers.

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

Hmm not really sure how to reply without you considering it to be bait.

You don't. You said you read what I've been through, so have some empathy and stop baiting me into going through this from the beginning.

Originally posted by Artur Smiarowski:

Originally posted by PoisonMushroom:

Hmm not really sure how to reply without you considering it to be bait.

You don't. You said you read what I've been through, so have some empathy and stop baiting me into going through this from the beginning.

Alright, good luck with it.