Mixed fantasy races

[Machiavelli]

It's a typical fantasy troupe. Why not add it? Lol

[noobslayer619]

it would be fun to have a half elf and half orc army. they wold be the best paladins ever.

[Ravensblade]

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

It's a typical fantasy troupe. Why not add it? Lol

I find adding something just becouse it's troupe is just wrong.

There are mutliple other fantasy games that are doing that. Why all games need to do it? It adds nothing of inherent value in exchange.

I preffer if fantasy races are separate species not just another type of humans. It make different races more unique to each other.

[denton91]

Originally posted by Ravensblade:

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

It's a typical fantasy troupe. Why not add it? Lol

I find adding something just becouse it's troupe is just wrong.

There are mutliple other fantasy games that are doing that. Why all games need to do it? It adds nothing of inherent value in exchange.

I preffer if fantasy races are separate species not just another type of humans. It make different races more unique to each other.

The game is deeply steeped in fantasy tropes, so that's hardly an argument.

A good reason NOT to do it is it can add loads of complexity for relatively little gain. Each cross breed is basically its own race and has to be considered whether they can cross breed further.

[GnomeSlayer]

People are obsessed with race.

[Ravensblade]

Originally posted by denton91:

The game is deeply steeped in fantasy tropes, so that's hardly an argument.

So they need to repeat every single troupe becouse of that? Becouse it's mostly generic fantasty we need to make it even more generic?

Originally posted by denton91:

A good reason NOT to do it (...)

I agree with your reason NOT to do it. But i don't understand reason to do it.

[Machiavelli]

Originally posted by GnomeSlayer:

People are obsessed with race.

No, not really. I actually believe race doesn't exist and is socially constructed, because we are of the same human species. But in the context of fantasy, there are different species.

[Machiavelli]

Originally posted by Ravensblade:

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

It's a typical fantasy troupe. Why not add it? Lol

I find adding something just becouse it's troupe is just wrong.

There are mutliple other fantasy games that are doing that. Why all games need to do it? It adds nothing of inherent value in exchange.

I preffer if fantasy races are separate species not just another type of humans. It make different races more unique to each other.

Let me rephrase. It is a genre convention or common standard. Dungeons and Dragons I believe spawned the rpg genre and since then, there has been half-races or half-species. In the case of DnD, these backgrounds gave unique starting conditions and gameplay options, so I don't see why it can't be added to this game. Maybe it's a limitation, because there would be many variants. But I know of games that do have it.

[Ravensblade]

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

Originally posted by GnomeSlayer:

People are obsessed with race.

No, not really. I actually believe race doesn't exist and is socially constructed, because we are of the same human species. But in the context of fantasy, there are different species.

Race as scientific and more exactly biological concept are real and exist. You can see it in dogs or cats for example, with diffrent races having a lot of diffrent traits with huge diffrences. Division of humans between races are more questionable, especially know, when even populations separated for thousand of years were connected back.

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

It is a genre convention or common standard.

It's not. It's just what recent games do. Especially if we eliminate halfelfs. Even most half races in DnD are more recent additions. What denton91 said is huge problem, as basically half race is just another race that you need to add in. And then there will be surely that guy, who ask for mix of halforc halfelf with halfdwarf halfhuman. That's why games like TES don't have mixed races even if diffrent races can have children with each another.

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

In the case of DnD, these backgrounds gave unique starting conditions and gameplay options, so I don't see why it can't be added to this game.

Could you make same example of the case of backgrounds and unique starting conditions that were made possible becouse of addition of mixed race in recent games?

Main problem with fantasy races being capable of having mixed children between is what we can observe in real world. There is no reason for distint races to exist. If we create world were elves, orcs, dwarfs and humans exist together in some random area there is little reason for them to not all become all mixed race after thousand years with some being more "elf-like" or "orc-like"

In a sense huge populations of races capable of mixing living next to each other for long time and staying as diffrent races is inrealistic. You need to create same big barrier for them to not mix.

[GnomeSlayer]

Originally posted by Ravensblade:

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

No, not really. I actually believe race doesn't exist and is socially constructed, because we are of the same human species. But in the context of fantasy, there are different species.

Race as scientific and more exactly biological concept are real and exist. You can see it in dogs or cats for example, with diffrent races having a lot of diffrent traits with huge diffrences. Division of humans between races are more questionable, especially know, when even populations separated for thousand of years were connected back.

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

It is a genre convention or common standard.

It's not. It's just what recent games do. Especially if we eliminate halfelfs. Even most half races in DnD are more recent additions. What denton91 said is huge problem, as basically half race is just another race that you need to add in. And then there will be surely that guy, who ask for mix of halforc halfelf with halfdwarf halfhuman. That's why games like TES don't have mixed races even if diffrent races can have children with each another.

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

In the case of DnD, these backgrounds gave unique starting conditions and gameplay options, so I don't see why it can't be added to this game.

Could you make same example of the case of backgrounds and unique starting conditions that were made possible becouse of addition of mixed race in recent games?

Main problem with fantasy races being capable of having mixed children between is what we can observe in real world. There is no reason for distint races to exist. If we create world were elves, orcs, dwarfs and humans exist together in some random area there is little reason for them to not all become all mixed race after thousand years with some being more "elf-like" or "orc-like"

In a sense huge populations of races capable of mixing living next to each other for long time and staying as diffrent races is inrealistic. You need to create same big barrier for them to not mix.

Originally posted by Ravensblade:

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

No, not really. I actually believe race doesn't exist and is socially constructed, because we are of the same human species. But in the context of fantasy, there are different species.

Race as scientific and more exactly biological concept are real and exist. You can see it in dogs or cats for example, with diffrent races having a lot of diffrent traits with huge diffrences. Division of humans between races are more questionable, especially know, when even populations separated for thousand of years were connected back.

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

It is a genre convention or common standard.

It's not. It's just what recent games do. Especially if we eliminate halfelfs. Even most half races in DnD are more recent additions. What denton91 said is huge problem, as basically half race is just another race that you need to add in. And then there will be surely that guy, who ask for mix of halforc halfelf with halfdwarf halfhuman. That's why games like TES don't have mixed races even if diffrent races can have children with each another.

Originally posted by Machiavelli:

In the case of DnD, these backgrounds gave unique starting conditions and gameplay options, so I don't see why it can't be added to this game.

Could you make same example of the case of backgrounds and unique starting conditions that were made possible becouse of addition of mixed race in recent games?

Main problem with fantasy races being capable of having mixed children between is what we can observe in real world. There is no reason for distint races to exist. If we create world were elves, orcs, dwarfs and humans exist together in some random area there is little reason for them to not all become all mixed race after thousand years with some being more "elf-like" or "orc-like"

In a sense huge populations of races capable of mixing living next to each other for long time and staying as diffrent races is inrealistic. You need to create same big barrier for them to not mix.

lol - we have here a special case.
Reported.

[oroen]

Originally posted by GnomeSlayer:

lol - we have here a special case.
Reported.

why?
that's literally analogous to the entire history of human evolution.
we aren't just ♥♥♥♥ sapiens; we're a slight mixture of closely related hominids ranging from Erectus, neanderthal and Denisovans depending on the region your ancestral population group comes from