Some combinations don't make sense

[Lucius]

Great game, and I'm incredibly addicted to it. But I have a few suggestions regarding the topic combos, because I came across some that don't make sense, such as Detective and Strategy not being a good combo. A detective game essentially requires you to think and strategize. Why wouldn't that be a good combo? That would be like L.A. Noire not requiring any strategy at all.

Same with Mystery. Again, strategy genre doesn't work well with this, yet it somehow works well with RPG? A mystery RPG? That's an odder combination than mystery strategy IMO.

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

Great game, and I'm incredibly addicted to it. But I have a few suggestions regarding the topic combos, because I came across some that don't make sense, such as Detective and Strategy not being a good combo. A detective game essentially requires you to think and strategize. Why wouldn't that be a good combo? That would be like L.A. Noire not requiring any strategy at all.

Same with Mystery. Again, strategy genre doesn't work well with this, yet it somehow works well with RPG? A mystery RPG? That's an odder combination than mystery strategy IMO.

devs stopped working on this game, fam. There are a lot more combinations that don't really make sense.

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Niff:

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

Great game, and I'm incredibly addicted to it. But I have a few suggestions regarding the topic combos, because I came across some that don't make sense, such as Detective and Strategy not being a good combo. A detective game essentially requires you to think and strategize. Why wouldn't that be a good combo? That would be like L.A. Noire not requiring any strategy at all.

Same with Mystery. Again, strategy genre doesn't work well with this, yet it somehow works well with RPG? A mystery RPG? That's an odder combination than mystery strategy IMO.

devs stopped working on this game, fam. There are a lot more combinations that don't really make sense.

Well, that sucks. :/ Oh well. Thanks for the reply.

[Greenheart Games]

Originally posted by Niff:

devs stopped working on this game, fam. There are a lot more combinations that don't really make sense.

Last year we delivered a huge free update and not even three months ago we updated the game to fix one questionable topic/genre configuration so a little goodwill would be nice.

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

A detective game essentially requires you to think and strategize. Why wouldn't that be a good combo? That would be like L.A. Noire not requiring any strategy at all.

Same with Mystery. Again, strategy genre doesn't work well with this, yet it somehow works well with RPG? A mystery RPG? That's an odder combination than mystery strategy IMO.

I can see your point. I guess it's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that only because a game requires strategic decisions, doesn't mean it's necessarily a strategy game. If you look at the wikipedia article about the Strategy genre[en.wikipedia.org] you'll see that it's commonly used for things like real-time-strategy or turn-based-strategy games but more importantly, to quote the article, in these games players must plan a series of actions against one or more opponents, and the reduction of enemy forces is usually a goal.

A Detective game is usually about finding the truth inside a story. Interviewing people, solving small puzzles, getting more clues. That sort of thing. This is also what players usually do in Adventure games, hence why we configured Detective/Adventure as a good combination.

LA Noire, according to wikipedia is also classified as a action-adventure game.

If you think of Strategy more as games like RTS, TBS or 4X games, it will work better inside the game.

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Greenheart Games:

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

A detective game essentially requires you to think and strategize. Why wouldn't that be a good combo? That would be like L.A. Noire not requiring any strategy at all.

Same with Mystery. Again, strategy genre doesn't work well with this, yet it somehow works well with RPG? A mystery RPG? That's an odder combination than mystery strategy IMO.

I can see your point. I guess it's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that only because a game requires strategic decisions, doesn't mean it's necessarily a strategy game. If you look at the wikipedia article about the Strategy genre[en.wikipedia.org] you'll see that it's commonly used for things like real-time-strategy or turn-based-strategy games but more importantly, to quote the article, in these games players must plan a series of actions against one or more opponents, and the reduction of enemy forces is usually a goal.

A Detective game is usually about finding the truth inside a story. Interviewing people, solving small puzzles, getting more clues. That sort of thing. This is also what players usually do in Adventure games, hence why we configured Detective/Adventure as a good combination.

LA Noire, according to wikipedia is also classified as a action-adventure game.

If you think of Strategy more as games like RTS, TBS or 4X games, it will work better inside the game.

Cool. Thanks for the explanation. Glad you guys still keep a check on this game!

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Greenheart Games:

Originally posted by Niff:

devs stopped working on this game, fam. There are a lot more combinations that don't really make sense.

Last year we delivered a huge free update and not even three months ago we updated the game to fix one questionable topic/genre configuration so a little goodwill would be nice.
If you think of Strategy more as games like RTS, TBS or 4X games, it will work better inside the game.

right. I'm sorry

[Greenheart Games]

Thanks for that 💚

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Greenheart Games:

I can see your point. I guess it's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that only because a game requires strategic decisions, doesn't mean it's necessarily a strategy game. If you look at the wikipedia article about the Strategy genre[en.wikipedia.org] you'll see that it's commonly used for things like real-time-strategy or turn-based-strategy games but more importantly, to quote the article, in these games players must plan a series of actions against one or more opponents, and the reduction of enemy forces is usually a goal.

A Detective game is usually about finding the truth inside a story. Interviewing people, solving small puzzles, getting more clues. That sort of thing. This is also what players usually do in Adventure games, hence why we configured Detective/Adventure as a good combination.

LA Noire, according to wikipedia is also classified as a action-adventure game.

If you think of Strategy more as games like RTS, TBS or 4X games, it will work better inside the game.

Something else I discovered while I was messing around with creating games based on their real life counterparts, regardless of genre combos: Pokemon. It's essentially a sci-fi action game when you boil down to it. Even if you stretch it a little bit and call it a casual game, it's still not a good combo for sci-fi according to this chart:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=216784744
Yet we know Pokemon sold like hotcakes on the Game Boy. The "Gameling", which is obviously based on that, doesn't combine that well with action or sci-fi games. So yeah, it's another one that stands out.

Also, I tried searching for casual games to create for the TES. Casual games work best with racing or fashion games. Fashion games weren't even a thing back in the '80s, and I couldn't just create racing game one after another year after year either. But that's not the point.

The point is that the TES, based on the NES, doesn't combine well with action games either. What's the NES' #1 top-seller? Mario. What's Mario, essentially? Fantasy action. Boom. Bad combo for TES. I know the chart says that there's a + for action games on both TES and Gameling, but it makes little sense that casual games on those two are more compatible than action games, while action games on the PC and G64 are more compatible. Do you know how annoying it is to play certain action games on a keyboard? Try playing Mega Man on the Commodore 64. It's a pain in the butt. Oh yeah, Mega Man, another popular action game on the NES/TES.

Those are just some of the observations I noticed. Being a simulator (it says "simulation" in the game tags), shouldn't this feel as much like real life game development as much as possible? If that's the case, shouldn't a game like Pokemon have a good combo on the Gameling for this game?

Edit: Okay, my mistake. Now that I thought about it, Pokemon is more like an RPG, and RPGs work well for Gameling (sci-fi RPGs still don't work effectively for young audiences though, which Pokemon was targeted for). That only leaves the TES and action games for my question.

[DortSnort]

Isn't Mario a casual game? I mean, I don't think you can call it action by jumping on some brown mushrooms and a giant turtle with spikes. It seems more like casual because you don't really need that much of a focus

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Niff:

Isn't Mario a casual game? I mean, I don't think you can call it action by jumping on some brown mushrooms and a giant turtle with spikes. It seems more like casual because you don't really need that much of a focus

Mario doesn't need that much focus? MARIO? lol

I'm not trying to be rude but, c'mon. It's Mario. There are literally speedruns for the game, with some people giving up because it's too hard.

[Lucius]

Incidentally, what 'topic' would Tetris fall under? :P Just curious.

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

Incidentally, what 'topic' would Tetris fall under? :P Just curious.

I've never played Tetris, but from what I've seen, I'm guessing something around RPG, Adventure and Casual, because it's basically Minecraft survival except uglier graphics and it's not 3D. And Minecraft is sandbox (can this be counted as a genre?) and you can kind of make whatever you want on minecraft as long as you know how command blocks work.

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Niff:

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

Incidentally, what 'topic' would Tetris fall under? :P Just curious.

I've never played Tetris, but from what I've seen, I'm guessing something around RPG, Adventure and Casual, because it's basically Minecraft survival except uglier graphics and it's not 3D. And Minecraft is sandbox (can this be counted as a genre?) and you can kind of make whatever you want on minecraft as long as you know how command blocks work.

I meant topic, not genre. RPG and Casual are referred to as "genres" in the game, while the "topic" I was talking about are "Mystery" and "Sci-Fi".

[DortSnort]

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

Originally posted by Niff:

I've never played Tetris, but from what I've seen, I'm guessing something around RPG, Adventure and Casual, because it's basically Minecraft survival except uglier graphics and it's not 3D. And Minecraft is sandbox (can this be counted as a genre?) and you can kind of make whatever you want on minecraft as long as you know how command blocks work.

I meant topic, not genre. RPG and Casual are referred to as "genres" in the game, while the "topic" I was talking about are "Mystery" and "Sci-Fi".

oooh. Tbh, I've no idea what tetris could have. Sandbox maybe?

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Niff:

Originally posted by Rhedius Vague:

I meant topic, not genre. RPG and Casual are referred to as "genres" in the game, while the "topic" I was talking about are "Mystery" and "Sci-Fi".

oooh. Tbh, I've no idea what tetris could have. Sandbox maybe?

Yeah, that would work, but only if there's a sandbox topic created.

[DortSnort]

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