Why do people like Emiya Shirou?

[King Of Lolis]

I never understood that.
Trying to become a hero of justice is such a childish dream and hes 17 years old. Like come on nobody thinks that way at that age.
And why does he get so awkward all the time around girls, like when he saw arthur taking a bath or sakura passing out and moaning.
I never found him to be a relatable character, thats why im always down rooting for Kirei and King of Heroes.
Hell i even like Shinji more because he has actual goals

edit-before someone tries to sound smart,i read the novel 2 years ago and still like Fate/Zero a lot more

[xHans]

I think you didn't understand the character.

[King Of Lolis]

Originally posted by xHans:

I think you didn't understand the character.

I did,bla bla has ptsd and feels guilty about it and wants to help others cuz of it
i just dont understand that feeling

[xHans]

Originally posted by King Of Lolis:

Originally posted by xHans:

I think you didn't understand the character.

I did,bla bla has ptsd and feels guilty about it and wants to help others cuz of it
i just dont understand that feeling

Fate/Zero has the exact same cringy plotline with the character following their "creed" to extreme levels. Why did you like that more than fate? Probably because it was more edgy I would assume, also Archer calls out his hypocrisy so the character is meant to be flawed.

[King Of Lolis]

Originally posted by xHans:

Originally posted by King Of Lolis:

I did,bla bla has ptsd and feels guilty about it and wants to help others cuz of it
i just dont understand that feeling

Fate/Zero has the exact same cringy plotline with the character following their "creed" to extreme levels. Why did you like that more than fate? Probably because it was more edgy I would assume, also Archer calls out his hypocrisy so the character is meant to be flawed.

Because masters are actually mature and have goals unlike stay night ones where its either im fighting for the ♥♥♥♥ of it or i dont even know why im a master.
Zero had way better holy grail war and shocking plots.
Stay night was mostly
tohsaka pls lets work together
nooo shirou we are supposed to be enemies

even after seeing all the animes and reading the novel, i still hate all the cast in stay night besides chad Kirei and Gilgamesh

[Sneeze]

Emiya's idiotic, contradictory beliefs are fundamental to his relationships with the three main heroines, and escalation of the route order. From blindly following his self-sacrificial beliefs, to being his own biggest hater, to giving them up entirely.

People don't typically like him because they agree with his ideas, they like him because he's alien and provides an interesting perspective to the events of a contemporary story like this. I like how his simple mindedness combines with more complex subconscious issues that he's incapable of solving alone, adding to his freak factor.

But personally I like him most because of how his character functions as a critique of hero worship. You can look at it as a sins of the father narrative instead, but the former ties in better with the series tendency to emasculate the heroism and value of the servants as mythical figures. It's pretty neat!

[King Of Lolis]

Originally posted by garglegoyle:

Emiya's idiotic, contradictory beliefs are fundamental to his relationships with the three main heroines, and escalation of the route order. From blindly following his self-sacrificial beliefs, to being his own biggest hater, to giving them up entirely.

People don't typically like him because they agree with his ideas, they like him because he's alien and provides an interesting perspective to the events of a contemporary story like this. I like how his simple mindedness combines with more complex subconscious issues that he's incapable of solving alone, adding to his freak factor.

But personally I like him most because of how his character functions as a critique of hero worship. You can look at it as a sins of the father narrative instead, but the former ties in better with the series tendency to emasculate the heroism and value of the servants as mythical figures. It's pretty neat!

I see but dont get.
Honestly i just love and idolize ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy characters who want nothing but chaos and destruction like Ashiya Douman or Oberon Vortigern from fate grand order.

Maybe thats why i dont like emiya given hes fighting for good side and justice and all that.
Still hes a bit weird at age 17,should have written him as a 14 yo so that would explain why hes so damn awkward.

Welp imma stick to my idol Kirei whos born evil and King Gilgamesh who finds everyone beneath him, they cool

[jbkilroy]

It's because he's the successor to Kiritsugu. If you watch the Fate/Zero anime (or read the light novel I guess?), you learn that he had the same dreams when he was young and when he failed at achieving them, passed them on to Shirou.

In the original timeline, Shirou falls in exactly the same way that Kiritsugu did, only learning how to make the world better by killing bad people, and ends up jaded and broken himself.

"Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything."

It's a classic tragedy that in passing on his regrets Kiritsugu also passes along his fate.

This version of Shirou only avoids this by learning to trust in others (who he trusts depends on the route) - something Kiritsugu was never able to do.

[King Of Lolis]

Originally posted by jbkilroy:

It's because he's the successor to Kiritsugu. If you watch the Fate/Zero anime (or read the light novel I guess?), you learn that he had the same dreams when he was young and when he failed at achieving them, passed them on to Shirou.

In the original timeline, Shirou falls in exactly the same way that Kiritsugu did, only learning how to make the world better by killing bad people, and ends up jaded and broken himself.

"Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything."

It's a classic tragedy that in passing on his regrets Kiritsugu also passes along his fate.

This version of Emiya only avoids this by learning to trust in others (who he trusts depends on the route) - something Kiritsugu was never able to do.

Yeah but i liked and enjoyed Kiritsugu more because he killed few to save others
Man gave his family just try to achieve his dream.
Emiya on other hand even wants to save Shinji in ubw, guy who took Rin hostage and tried to have ways with her.
Then he also shows mercy towards Illya who clearly wants to kill him everytime.

Shirou was basically lets try talking other masters down while Kiritsugu straight up does archibald dirty after making him give up his servant. Could have just let him go but nah leave nobody alive behind.
Theres also Kiritsugu stopping the plane full of ghouls where the woman that raised him was on, while Shirou dosent even have the balls to kill Sakura when he had the chance and knew she was the shadow killing all people around

[jbkilroy]

Originally posted by King Of Lolis:

Originally posted by jbkilroy:

It's because he's the successor to Kiritsugu. If you watch the Fate/Zero anime (or read the light novel I guess?), you learn that he had the same dreams when he was young and when he failed at achieving them, passed them on to Shirou.

In the original timeline, Shirou falls in exactly the same way that Kiritsugu did, only learning how to make the world better by killing bad people, and ends up jaded and broken himself.

"Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything."

It's a classic tragedy that in passing on his regrets Kiritsugu also passes along his fate.

This version of Emiya only avoids this by learning to trust in others (who he trusts depends on the route) - something Kiritsugu was never able to do.

Yeah but i liked and enjoyed Kiritsugu more because he killed few to save others
Man gave his family just try to achieve his dream.
Emiya on other hand even wants to save Shinji in ubw, guy who took Rin hostage and tried to have ways with her.
Then he also shows mercy towards Illya who clearly wants to kill him everytime.

Shirou was basically lets try talking other masters down while Kiritsugu straight up does archibald dirty after making him give up his servant. Could have just let him go but nah leave nobody alive behind.
Theres also Kiritsugu stopping the plane full of ghouls where the woman that raised him was on, while Shirou dosent even have the balls to kill Sakura when he had the chance and knew she was the shadow killing all people around

I don't know if it's fair to compare Kiritsugu in Zero to Shirou in Stay/Night directly. After all, by the time the Holy Grail War starts Kiritsugu has already murdered hundreds (maybe thousands) of people. It's more accurate to say that they were moving in the same direction.

[King Of Lolis]

Originally posted by jbkilroy:

Originally posted by King Of Lolis:

Yeah but i liked and enjoyed Kiritsugu more because he killed few to save others
Man gave his family just try to achieve his dream.
Emiya on other hand even wants to save Shinji in ubw, guy who took Rin hostage and tried to have ways with her.
Then he also shows mercy towards Illya who clearly wants to kill him everytime.

Shirou was basically lets try talking other masters down while Kiritsugu straight up does archibald dirty after making him give up his servant. Could have just let him go but nah leave nobody alive behind.
Theres also Kiritsugu stopping the plane full of ghouls where the woman that raised him was on, while Shirou dosent even have the balls to kill Sakura when he had the chance and knew she was the shadow killing all people around

I don't know if it's fair to compare Kiritsugu in Zero to Shirou in Stay/Night directly. After all, by the time the Holy Grail War starts Kiritsugu has already murdered hundreds (maybe thousands) of people. It's more accurate to say that they were moving in the same direction.

oh yeah true,Kiritsugu grew up becoming a merc while shirou mostly had ptsd.
Huh never thought about it that way
Still wish he fought a bit stronger in the war like making shinji give up by force. Loved when he broke his arm in first route tho,that was cool.
And wish he had more bone around tohsaka rather than just being all simpy around her

Honestly favorite mc in all of fate gotta be Miyamoto Iori, he was calm,collected and fought hard to stop the holy grail war.

[Halko]

Im not gonna lie i really hate the argument people have that characters cant have flaws or be awkward in any way. The entire point of Shirous character is that he is a fundamentally broken person. He is abnormal in ways even worse than the main heroines. The only difference between Shirou and Kiritsugu isnt in one being more or less broken than the other but the fact that people see Kerry as cool so its ok. I mean the guy even has the generic cool guy trenchcoat look and parades around apathetically. He was written to be generic cool dude #27. Meanwhile Shirou is just a sword nerd obsessed with his survivors guilt and that just isnt appealing or as cool as the guy that blows up a hotel. People cant see past Shirous obsessions and quirks so they just write off a character with a lot of depth to him and its just kind of sickening really. Most of the discussions in this thread is less about having an actual complaint and more about just whining about how Shirou isnt as much of a bad ass. The kids a high school student.

[Sylum]

honestly don't really care you like Kiritsugu more than shirou but why the hell do you like shinji more ? that dudes an ass

[King Of Lolis]

Originally posted by Halko:

Im not gonna lie i really hate the argument people have that characters cant have flaws or be awkward in any way. The entire point of Shirous character is that he is a fundamentally broken person. He is abnormal in ways even worse than the main heroines. The only difference between Shirou and Kiritsugu isnt in one being more or less broken than the other but the fact that people see Kerry as cool so its ok. I mean the guy even has the generic cool guy trenchcoat look and parades around apathetically. He was written to be generic cool dude #27. Meanwhile Shirou is just a sword nerd obsessed with his survivors guilt and that just isnt appealing or as cool as the guy that blows up a hotel. People cant see past Shirous obsessions and quirks so they just write off a character with a lot of depth to him and its just kind of sickening really. Most of the discussions in this thread is less about having an actual complaint and more about just whining about how Shirou isnt as much of a bad ass. The kids a high school student.

Yeah and many other anime main characters are high school students like Itadori or Denji but they at least cool.

Im just trying to understand whats so appealing about a kid who wants to be a hero but is extremely weak compared to other masters in mage levels

[King Of Lolis]

Originally posted by Sylum:

honestly don't really care you like Kiritsugu more than shirou but why the hell do you like shinji more ? that dudes an ass

Yeah but he knew how to play the war. Even if he couldnt control Rider to the fullest and if she got destroyed,he knew how to get her back into fighting, with whole worm pit or the mage book.
He knew servants are just tools and not to romance them like shirou tried to flirt with artoria who had no interest in him at the start.

and he had an actual goal in the war,to become a solid magus like tohsaka, hence why he was so jealous of her

[Halko]

Originally posted by King Of Lolis:

Yeah and many other anime main characters are high school students like Itadori or Denji but they at least cool.

Im just trying to understand whats so appealing about a kid who wants to be a hero but is extremely weak compared to other masters in mage levels

And this is why i cant take your argument seriously. A character being good or not depends entirely on how cool they are. Not about the story they are in their actual character traits or the character itself. Shirou is a good character because he isnt just generic cool dude or lame self insert. The guy actually has a motivation and an interesting perspective even if its hard to wrap your head around. People just refuse to look past the surface details and its just sad really.

And calling Denji cool is the most laughable thing ive heard in a while. Like the guy is a total moron and simp. He also lacks any real motivation aside from wanna touch some boobs and eat.