Director cut patch with r18 content?

[BlackNet]

Of course i am very happy that this game is coming out on Steam, but if there will be a patch then what's the point of playing the cut version?

[Halko]

You missed the point as to what i was saying though. The guy was implying that Type Moon makes games with ero scenes because they decided it was part of their vision. I just pointed out that it hasnt been in their vision to put any of those in any of their releases in the last twenty plus years. It was never about if the original Fate VN had them or not but rather if TM thinks they are important. Which is clear with their current history they dont. Nasu is on the record that he doesnt much care for or like writing ero scenes.

And yes it is silly to complain about how somehow the 18+ content is somehow being "stolen" from the fans or whatever. TM has washed their hands of it long ago and complaining about that is just going to annoy everyone.

[free kill]

This isn't even based off the original PC release. It is based off realta nua, which was itself an update of the PS2 version, which added in voice acting for the entire script and a few movies, as well as some QoL features since it was on the VIta. There is no 18 plus content to patch in since this version had none in the first place and they've made it clear they aren't going to do that anymore. To put it another way, when they decided to finally do voice acting for the entire script, they didn't even bother doing any for the R18 parts of the original PC release.

While they are actually plot relevant, especially in Heaven's Feel, the most they are willing to do now is something like the Heaven's Feel movie did where it acknowledges it happened but doesn't show any actual erotic imagery.

[Jikap]

Originally posted by Lateralus:

Originally posted by Jikap:

I usually play with r18 content enabled and generally don't like cut content myself. But with TYPE-MOON, It's a fairly well-known fact that they don't like to make r18 content, and the only reason they were added in their early games is because they thought their games wouldn't sell otherwise.

None of their new games have them, nor any new remakes of their old games. So in this case, I'd say that the cut version is closer to what the author intended, and I'll play all TYPE-MOON games without installing any fan-made r18 patches.

This is completely untrue. Not a single person who has said this has been able to provide any evidence of that. In fact lol you're so wrong that they straight up adapt one of the H scenes in HF films. Stop with this whole "My source is trust me bro"

So I went ahead and tried to find a source for this and... you're right, it's bogus, sorry about that.

The rumor seems to stem from an old interview about Tsukihime where the topic was brought up briefly, I did manage to find a translation of that old interview:

"———Is Takeuchi-san the one who said to make it into a visual novel with adult content?
Nasu: Yeah, that's right.
———To what extent was Takeuchi-san confident in it being accepted by others?
Takeuchi: For myself, I thought you would like it as long as you've read Nasu's novels. But after we announced it on our homepage and in doujinshi there was no reaction at all. So I thought that if it was an H-game, or even R-18, that there would be a chance people would read it."

The translation can be found here:
https://www.tsukikan.com/misc/type-moon-staff-round-table-talk.html

He also mentions that he finds H-scenes more difficult and slower to write compared to everything else, but there doesn't seem to be anything specifically about any dislike towards making H-scenes, and this is about Tsukihime anyway, not Fate.

So while they did state that making Tsukihime an R-18 game was for the sake of making people buy and read the game, the rest of that rumor was either exaggerated, misinterpreted, or just fake.

Thank you for calling me out on it, I've had the wrong impression about this for years.

[Halko]

Lets be real here though. The difference between making 18+ content solely for increasing sales and not actually liking making said content are not that much of a difference. With Nasu saying he struggles with writing those scenes quickly its an easy assumption to make. Especially considering they have not bothered making those scenes in any of their releases after Fate. So really the impression over what is said and what it means is up in the air. Nobody is right or wrong till you hear from the horses mouth but the trend is toward them not particularly liking adult content.

The big things you can draw from the whole interview is that from day one they never really thought 18+ was a requirement but just an added on feature to drive sales among the die hard eroge crowd and as soon as said sales were guaranteed by brand recognition the whole concept was dropped.

[Kreamy]

Originally posted by Halko:

Lets be real here though. The difference between making 18+ content solely for increasing sales and not actually liking making said content are not that much of a difference. With Nasu saying he struggles with writing those scenes quickly its an easy assumption to make. Especially considering they have not bothered making those scenes in any of their releases after Fate. So really the impression over what is said and what it means is up in the air. Nobody is right or wrong till you hear from the horses mouth but the trend is toward them not particularly liking adult content.

The big things you can draw from the whole interview is that from day one they never really thought 18+ was a requirement but just an added on feature to drive sales among the die hard eroge crowd and as soon as said sales were guaranteed by brand recognition the whole concept was dropped.

I don't remember where but I swear I also saw an interview once where Nasu was chatting with Urobuchi and the topic came up on the side about how much of a relief it is not to NEED to write them anymore to drive sales.

I never got the impression personally that Nasu "hates those sort of scenes" from a moral standpoint so much as Nasu not enjoying writing them or being confident in his ability to write them well, which could explain why the All Ages versions tend to be presented as being the most polished ones because its just the writing Nasu is confident about being good.

[Shot_Trip]

Originally posted by Kreamy:

Originally posted by Halko:

Lets be real here though. The difference between making 18+ content solely for increasing sales and not actually liking making said content are not that much of a difference. With Nasu saying he struggles with writing those scenes quickly its an easy assumption to make. Especially considering they have not bothered making those scenes in any of their releases after Fate. So really the impression over what is said and what it means is up in the air. Nobody is right or wrong till you hear from the horses mouth but the trend is toward them not particularly liking adult content.

The big things you can draw from the whole interview is that from day one they never really thought 18+ was a requirement but just an added on feature to drive sales among the die hard eroge crowd and as soon as said sales were guaranteed by brand recognition the whole concept was dropped.

I don't remember where but I swear I also saw an interview once where Nasu was chatting with Urobuchi and the topic came up on the side about how much of a relief it is not to NEED to write them anymore to drive sales.

I never got the impression personally that Nasu "hates those sort of scenes" from a moral standpoint so much as Nasu not enjoying writing them or being confident in his ability to write them well, which could explain why the All Ages versions tend to be presented as being the most polished ones because its just the writing Nasu is confident about being good.

It's this, more or less. It's not that Nasu hates the sex scenes, he just acknowledges it as his personal writing weakness that he has trouble making them compelling, and so it makes sense that he prefers the Realta Nua content more than the original.

[Sengan]

You all seem to take his words from that Tsukihime itw at face value like he were American and not Japanese with Japan's culture of tatemae ("the things you say") vs honne ("the things you really think/mean").

When a Japanese person tells you something you asked for "could be somewhat complicated to do" in a business discussion, for exemple, what they really mean by that is "no way in hell that's gonna happen, ever"

Chances are high that Nasu's "I struggle to write H-scenes" really means something along the lines of "I hate them and I hate that I had to write them because a doujin game from a small unknown circle wouldn't have sold if it didn't have sex scenes"

[Yarchonis Marfedelom]

Originally posted by Sengan:

You all seem to take his words from that Tsukihime itw at face value like he were American and not Japanese with Japan's culture of tatemae ("the things you say") vs honne ("the things you really think/mean").

When a Japanese person tells you something you asked for "could be somewhat complicated to do" in a business discussion, for exemple, what they really mean by that is "no way in hell that's gonna happen, ever"

Chances are high that Nasu's "I struggle to write H-scenes" really means something along the lines of "I hate them and I hate that I had to write them because a doujin game from a small unknown circle wouldn't have sold if it didn't have sex scenes"

I don't believe this considering Nasu is the one according to Ufotable who wanted to include the Sakura sex scene. As well as Nasu being the one who designed like Bargest as well as her lore and her profile literally says she requires sex to get her mana. Nasu has been fairly clear on numerous times he doesn't mind H scenes but he doesn't like writing them.

[Sengan]

I never said he hated sex scenes in general, I said he hated those he wrote. And stating in a profile that someone requires sex is worlds apart from explicitly writing said sex.

[Yarchonis Marfedelom]

Originally posted by Sengan:

I never said he hated sex scenes in general, I said he hated those he wrote. And stating in a profile that someone requires sex is worlds apart from explicitly writing said sex.

Apologies.

[ratinox]

The Realta Nua version *is* the "director's cut" edition. The H scenes from the original release have been non-canon since 2007.

[inFantry-32]

Originally posted by Halko:

If type moon wanted H scenes in because it was their vision for the game then Mahoyo and the Tsukihime remake would have them. They dont.

They're remakes not remasters.

They literally rewrote the story around the scenes, because Console releases demand SFW versions.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Halko]

Originally posted by inFantry-32:

Originally posted by Halko:

If type moon wanted H scenes in because it was their vision for the game then Mahoyo and the Tsukihime remake would have them. They dont.

They're remakes not remasters.

They literally rewrote the story around the scenes, because Console releases demand SFW versions.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

This is an absolutely delusional take that has no basis in reality. Mahoyo was not a remake it was its own original story. Tsukihime was not rewritten for the explicit purpose to remove H scenes but rather because they felt like they wanted to do so to add more content and flesh out their concepts they had. There are a half dozen new characters in the remake that never existed and many major plot points are altered or entirely removed. Not because of some stupid conspiracy theory about how the console gods layed their hand on the work proclaiming it has to be all ages but because thats what the creator wanted.

YOU have no idea what you are talking about.

[Nyarlathotep]

They're not going to officially add the porn scenes back, deal with it and wait for mods.

[Metal Izanagi]

Legit all I want is a mod that changes the names to the ones I'm used to from the old fan translation. Altria is dumb, gimme Artoria.