Choke arrows and nonlethal and you

[Seventh Arrow]

I suppose most people have figured this out, but for those who haven't: if you're planning to do any sort of nonlethal run (whether just knocking dudes out or avoiding them), using choke arrows on birds or dogs will count as a kill.

I mainly mention this because there's a loading screen tip that indicates that these arrows will just knock them out:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/seventh_arrow/screenshot/794063796194493727

In the architect's mansion, I tested this out when I noticed that I had a kill count, even though I had up to that point just knocked guys out. I tried using a choke arrow on a raven, then checked my statistics, and sure enough my kill count went up by one.

Really, I think the loading screen tip should be changed to indicate that these arrows kill birds and dogs. But anyways, just putting this out there to help anyone who might not know about this.

[Puppy Cat Underfoot]

I never noticed that. Granted, I try to do things so I don't have to gas the animals. Best I can say is different immune systems: nonlethal to humans, but lethal to birds and dogs.

[bloodraven43]

i gas all the birds and dogs so they didnt give me away...lol....and the green smoke is cool

[Lucifer]

It kills dogs? I knew about it killing birds (as does using the Opium in Chapter 3) but wasn't aware it killed dogs.

[Seventh Arrow]

I could be wrong about the dogs actually, I haven't checked.

[Lucifer]

Well, the bird bit was logical to me... any sedative strong enough to knock a grown man unconscious would be lethal for something as small as a bird... possibly lethal for a dog, but I wasn't sure.

[Seventh Arrow]

I see it more as "what do the devs want to do with this"? It seems to me that they don't want to trivialize having bird/dog alarms, so they put a kill counter on using choke arrows with them. That way if you still want to play nonlethally, you still have to sneak around them.

Anyways, the Foundry (chapter 2) has a dog right near the beginning, I can test it out with that.

[Seventh Arrow]

Looks like you're right. I just went to the foundry. I knocked out one dude and my stats showed 1 knocked unconscious, 0 killed. Then I used a choke arrow on the dog and it showed 2 unconscious, 0 killed. So apparently they really are lethal just for birds! Interesting.

[DouglasGrave]

Even blunt arrows are lethal for birds, along with most of the rest of our arrow arsenal; I'm not sure about rope or water arrows, since I haven't tried those on birds.

[ADG]

Hint: Confucius say "Toxic cloud covers large area, but hitting raven directly in face means no more raven. Maybe you try no hitting raven directly in face" - I read this in a fortune cookie. True story.