So... who is Erin?

[Nicze]

I finished the game and since the end of chapter 4 I thought Erin was Garrett's sister. She says: "Is that why you let me go, Garrett? Because I was the only family you had? We never did see eye-to-eye. Big brother always knows best." Now I know there is some Dark Horse comics that apparently gives some more info about their past, but since Steam won't let me upgrade to Master Thief edition I went to Thief wiki to read up on Erin.

Originally posted by Thief wiki:

Erin came to the city as an 8-year-old orphan stowed aboard a ship from shores unknown. She stole on the streets to get by until she was taken in by an affluent brothel and opium den, the House of Blossoms. Here she worked as a 'petal', sweeping floors and carrying the pipes of the rich and famous.

When Erin came of age she was expected to join the ranks of the prostitutes in the establishment but she killed her first unfortunate client and fled to the city streets. This aggressive, reactive way of dealing with her problems has continued into her later years and remains a signature of her personality still.

Garrett discovered her on the streets shortly after and began training her as a master thief but Erin continued to kill. In opposition to Garrett's way of thinking this put obvious pressure on the relationship leading to an ugly split.

...Well I guess that makes sense? But what's with the "I was the only family you had" and "big brother"? I get it that you can call someone "brother" when you're close but are not related by blood, but talking about family? Am I really the only person that got completely wooshed by their whole relationship?
I only cared about her cause I thought she was my sister and it was aww, but turns out she's just some random assassin that doesn't even follow the creed and the world is better off without her.
And now all her drawings of Garrett seem creepy and fangirlish.


But seriously.

Woosh.

[Solitaire]

Obviously he wears the corset to maintain his slim and petite figure according to Victorian standards of beauty!

[ilhe]

Thanks for the link! Now thinking about it. Unmatched degree of immersion, with this game I have a feeling that there is a thef nearby the whole time. I purchased the Master Thief edition of the game in hope to have soundtrack and a digital artbook. Now I see that my artbook is like several pages taken from the one you showed, and that soundtrack I got was only 10 of 20 tracks, if I want other 10 I need to pay more. It's so funny that not as enraging as it might have been normally. I wanted to get to know the thief, to deal with him, to be as close as possible? I got exactly what I wanted lol

I don't mind his corset either, it looks cool, it just isn't very necessary unlike other stuff he has - that other stuff is his tools and bags for loot.

[Nicze]

Originally posted by gamblingjackal:

Obviously he wears the corset to maintain his slim and petite figure according to Victorian standards of beauty!

Omg, if he ever takes it off his organs are going to collapse!

Originally posted by ilhe:

I purchased the Master Thief edition of the game in hope to have soundtrack and a digital artbook.

I thought about buying the Master Thief edition but I don't really care about digital artbooks cause you can just find the pictures online usually. Though now I'd like to upgrade cause of the comic books :( I bought the Thief companion app but I get "Not enough storage space" bug and no amount of cache wipes can fix that :|

Originally posted by ilhe:

Unmatched degree of immersion, with this game I have a feeling that there is a thef nearby the whole time.

Hahaha, I was walking with my friend through the main street of our city, saw a plaque on a bank building and immediately wanted to steal it :D And I try to sneak behind people only to remind myself that I'm wearing winter boots and it won't work, lol.

[BrackPoop]

She's not dead NOT DEAD!!!

[rider]

Originally posted by ilhe:

LOL now you make me imagine a sex scene fully clothed with hoods on:)))

ilhe pls

Originally posted by ilhe:

Actually the old Garrett could perfectly do it wearing any amount of clothes, using only his magical voice, vibrating and resonating all over...

pls

stahp

you're making me horny

[Nicze]

I remember how once this was a thread about Erin, lol.

[ilhe]

Originally posted by Nicze:

Hahaha, I was walking with my friend through the main street of our city, saw a plaque on a bank building and immediately wanted to steal it :D And I try to sneak behind people only to remind myself that I'm wearing winter boots and it won't work, lol.

XD I was in a bank a few days ago, and while standing in a line realised that I'm scanning the hall for light switches, and noticing which drawers with nice key holes stay out of sight of the bank workers:))) Even looking at my own hands doesn't feel the same any more:)) Interesting how perception changes. Once at work I was going somewhere in our building and had to stop for a second, and instinctively I moved into a dark corner, my back close to the wall, good no one saw me - of course, I was so stealthy:)))

Originally posted by Dr.ξινός:

Originally posted by ilhe:

LOL now you make me imagine a sex scene fully clothed with hoods on:)))

ilhe pls

Originally posted by ilhe:

Actually the old Garrett could perfectly do it wearing any amount of clothes, using only his magical voice, vibrating and resonating all over...

pls

stahp

you're making me horny

I'm innocent! Nicze started it, see:

Originally posted by Nicze:

They laughed at Bioware for their sex scenes in underwear, what they're going to say about one that's fully clothed with hoods on?

It's all Stephen Russell's fault after all :P

[Nicze]

Originally posted by ilhe:

I'm innocent! Nicze started it

No, it was you!

Originally posted by ilhe:

-sigh- Well... Better look for her and kill her at the end than put her in Garrett's bed, or wherever they might have decided to ruin his proud virginity.

Btw his bed is so dirty, eww.

Originally posted by ilhe:

XD I was in a bank a few days ago, and while standing in a line realised that I'm scanning the hall for light switches, and noticing which drawers with nice key holes stay out of sight of the bank workers:))) Even looking at my own hands doesn't feel the same any more:)) Interesting how perception changes. Once at work I was going somewhere in our building and had to stop for a second, and instinctively I moved into a dark corner, my back close to the wall, good no one saw me - of course, I was so stealthy:)))

Hahaha :D I remember after playing Assassin's Creed I was walking around town and assessing which buildings are climbable, lol.

Originally posted by ilhe:

It's all Stephen Russell's fault after all :P

Blame Garrett's character designer!

[dysyarakill]

Oh guys, you've made me laugh so much!
Especially that line

Originally posted by ilhe:

-sigh- Well... Better look for her and kill her at the end than put her in Garrett's bed, or wherever they might have decided to ruin his proud virginity.

When I saw this new Garret's concept, first thing I noticeded was this corset thing. I must say, that in the past gentelmen wore corsets at everyday basis, for slim and manly silhouette. Still, his corset is totally useless. And about his hair-i saw some concepts without hood, and his hair was short and very dark.
Erin started to annoy me from the very first moment when she opened her mouth. After watching trailers, I decided, that they were a couple before, and all her naughty and brazen voice intonations only made me more convinced. My opinion is: they changed plot so many taffing times, that some bits of it remained in the last version, where she is not his girlfriend, but only wayward student.
Why no one is bothered by the fact that he lives in tower?! Of course, no one in the City mentions lights and shadowy figure running back and forth)

[rider]

Originally posted by dysyarakill:

Why no one is bothered by the fact that he lives in tower?! Of course, no one in the City mentions lights and shadowy figure running back and forth)

I must be very tired, but I can't stop laughing like an idiot at the thought of Garrett just running back and forth in front of the windows, while manically arranging his collectibles over and over again. Then always walking on the streets, somewhere at the distance you could just hear him go creepily "nyahahaa", resonating all over the midnight city.

[ilhe]

Originally posted by dysyarakill:

I must say, that in the past gentelmen wore corsets at everyday basis, for slim and manly silhouette. Still, his corset is totally useless.

I didn't know that, thought it's only for ladies, now I know thanks to you. And it appears his corset isn't useless at all! I looked more carefully at his outfit, and that piece of armor on his shoulder is held by straps which are a part of his corset. And more importantly, his bow is also attached to those corset straps. So it's not only beautiful, it's usefull, too.

Originally posted by dysyarakill:

And about his hair-i saw some concepts without hood, and his hair was short and very dark.

I hope I'll find these concepts one day! So curious:)

Originally posted by dysyarakill:

Erin started to annoy me from the very first moment when she opened her mouth. After watching trailers, I decided, that they were a couple before, and all her naughty and brazen voice intonations only made me more convinced. My opinion is: they changed plot so many taffing times, that some bits of it remained in the last version, where she is not his girlfriend, but only wayward student.

Funny, I never could imagine Garrett could have a girlfriend:) He is cool, manly, and stuff, but... it just can't be. Even if they were planning to make her his girlfriend, I'm so glad that they didn't.
I think she well might be in love with him. His pictures are all over her home, and his portrait staring right at her bed. Yes, she is admiring him, but it easily can be more than admiration. Hell, every normal girl would be in love with such a mentor! But he wouldn't let her any closer:P

Originally posted by dysyarakill:

Why no one is bothered by the fact that he lives in tower?! Of course, no one in the City mentions lights and shadowy figure running back and forth)

I think, they believe he is a ghost of the tower's engineer, who was crashed by his gears. This legend was in a newspaper. A very handy legend - explains lights and shadowy figure, and keeps citizens away. By the way, he IS the tower's enineer to some extent, as he is looking after the clocks.

[Auspex]

I liked Erin. She's not bad, she's just written that way (to paraphrase Jessica Rabbit).

Both the game and the supplementary materials make it pretty clear that she's been dealt a really bad hand for life. Pretty much every encounter she has with other people has taught her that they only want to use her or hurt her, so she's decided to return the favor. Basso seems to be the first person she met who helped her without wanting something from her in return (based on the comic).

Though I don't mean to imply that it's morally alright that she murders people, because it isn't. But it's easy to see why her first reaction to threats or perceived threats is violence. Further I find it a little funny (and not funny "ha, ha") that Erin receives so much criticism for being a murderer when Mr. You-Could-Float-A-Whaling-Ship-On-The-Highborn-Blood-I've-Spilled Daud from Dishonored was so popular they made two DLC's about his character. (This is not intended to be directed at anyone in this thread, it's just something I've seen around a lot.)

Some of this of course is 'cause of some really bad writing decisions.

"Quick, you have five minutes to make your audience like a character enough to care what happens to them! What do you do?"

"I know! I'll make them boastful and impulsive the whole time they are on screen!"

"Err, what?"

Really, can we just retire the whole 'Damsel in Distress' thing? It's trite and it's generally just lazy writing because you can be bothered to think of a more interesting way to set the plot in motion.

...aaand, rant done. Tldr - But she's had a deprived childhood!

Also, I've heard it suggested that Garrett's 'corset' is a climbing harness, which makes as much sense as anything else I've heard so, works for me.

[dysyarakill]

How nice to communicate with people, who are so polite and immersed in the topic of discussion. I always wanted to tell it, 'cause at russian forums it's mostly stupid brawling and flame with fat fat trolls, who haven't even tried to pay attention for what game plot and lore shows them, so people, who are able to say something interesting, just lose their desire to do so.
We all should praise all gods for that kind of users mostly don't visit english speaking forums, they usually can't formulate a simple sentence in a foreign language.
I'm sorry for offtop, just want to thank you all :D
For my taste, Erin is not a very pretty girl, and it doesn't help her, she does not awake a desire to sympathize her. She just fall a victim of screenwriters laziness, just as angelab said

Originally posted by angelab:

She's not bad, she's just written that way

This is a real shame! A large part of her story is presented in official Dark Horse Comic, and those, who hadn't ordered game edition with it ( I don' remeber, how it's called), have got only a faint glimpse of her character.
I hope if she would take part in sequel, writers are going to be more attentive and show us all her verges.

Originally posted by ilhe:

I think, they believe he is a ghost of the tower's engineer, who was crashed by his gears. This legend was in a newspaper. A very handy legend - explains lights and shadowy figure, and keeps citizens away. By the way, he IS the tower's enineer to some extent, as he is looking after the clocks.

Yep, I've read this newspaper. But my imagination makes me a bad favor: I've imagined, how Garrett tries to bring his bed and other furniture to the tower) You might argue me and say, that he could just made all furniture from construction materials and IKEA catalog, but it is still funny to imagine Garrett, running on the rooftops with a bunch of wooden planks.
In Deadly Shadows, when old Garrett had visited Clock Tower, it was maintained by, at least, 20 people, and used a great deal of coal. Of course, new tower must have impoved mechanism, but it's still hard to believe that Garrett could handle it alone, and steal all that enormous amount of coal)

Originally posted by ilhe:

I hope I'll find these concepts one day! So curious:)

http://www.feerik-art.com/THIEF-3
You should take a look at other pages about thief from this site, they contain interesting art too :D

Originally posted by ilhe:

I didn't know that, thought it's only for ladies, now I know thanks to you. And it appears his corset isn't useless at all! I looked more carefully at his outfit, and that piece of armor on his shoulder is held by straps which are a part of his corset. And more importantly, his bow is also attached to those corset straps. So it's not only beautiful, it's usefull, too.

If you want to read about corsets for men, there is an article. It is written in russian, but nice guy Google Chrome would ask you to translate it, so make him happy, let him do so!
http://zdorov.forblabla.com/blog/45646949189/Istoricheskiy-kostyum-muzhskoy-korset
There are some good pictures and history of corsets for gentelmen.
I thought his corset is useless, 'cause rope, that attaches to it, with the same success could be attached to his belt; and it provides a little defence. Though, i haven't noticed that his bow is fastened to corset) Shoulder pad - old Garrett wore them too, without any straps to his chest.
My friends, who saw that image, http://cdn.eidosinteractive.com/mtl/marketing/Community/Blog/Thief/Harness.jpg
ALL decided that is some part of bdsm outfit :D

Originally posted by Dr.ξινός:

I must be very tired, but I can't stop laughing like an idiot at the thought of Garrett just running back and forth in front of the windows, while manically arranging his collectibles over and over again. Then always walking on the streets, somewhere at the distance you could just hear him go creepily "nyahahaa", resonating all over the midnight city.

It would be so stressful to him to move to some other place with all this shiny stuff and showcases!

[AngelOfMayhem]

Erin was the worst thing about this game. Even worse than the save errors and the initial sound problems. "Damsel in distress". A female victim. Who cares. Been there, done that a 1000 times. The Dark Horse comics made it even worse. I mean, how ridiculous can you be? And why is she excused to be so violent and psychopathic? I just wanted her to really die in the end.
And that "Garrett I'm slipping" over and over. She was a lost cause, so just let her die.