New Thief connections with old games (little spoilers)

[Kain]

Sometimes it feels like this is the future, the far future, I say that because all the connections with previous games (with exception of Garrett and Basso) are old ruins, like the Hammerite Cathedral and that old Keeper Library. There are even some mention of the old Trickster God like an old legend.

Now, I would not know why this dude is also name Garret but it could almost fit in the same universe but on a large span of time. Of courseI know its not really the case and its a differente universe, but I think it would be cool.

[Puppy Cat Underfoot]

Ector Rothchild, Mechanist, second coming of Karras.

[Hakke]

i was hoping that this game would respect the old thief lore ... but so far i´m just confused. its a totally new universe but there are "eastereggs" from the old games spread around ? love the gameplay but yeah the lore ... oh well i just played 4 hours - and i confess i quite enjoyed the cutscenes so far

[Puppy Cat Underfoot]

I took a screenshot of a mounted Burrick head. Granted, there were at least two in that location, and after that location I've seen a few more.

[RedRevReyn]

Found a dead burrick in Chapter 3, down in the what appears to be an old Keeper library, it's down in the water next to a waterfall. Took a screenshot of it.

[PancakeCats]

Did anybody else find the mechanical eye which im assuming is a reference to old garret when his eye was removed in the dark project

[Chaos Epoch]

there was a keeper passage in deadly shadows that croped up on the loading screens, went something like "two giants fighting, over what the thief has done." which sounds like the pagans and hammers going at each other. (the pagans were getting ready for a war of some kind during DS.)

so, keepers lose the glyphs from the power of the final glyph and disband. erin is a unknown desedant of one of them which explains why she has the keeper artifact. pagans attack hammers and the general populous blame the hammers for starting a war of some kind before kicking the hammers out, then fighting off the pagans. both relgious sects become hidden from view while any keepers wanting to continue on go without the glyphs go deep undeground in the sense that they are hidden away.

[garrett2008]

I found some tiny Keeper symbols in some places, they are glowing, if you go near, they vanish. No clue what that's about.
Also the Thief Taker looks like Truart, Ector definitely is Karras and some pictures look like Constantine (old guy with antlers).

Feels to me more like a slap in a face than a wink actualy.

[Lucifer]

Karras is dead. He was killed by his own red mist. And Basso the Boxman was a friend of Garrett's in Metal Age (a few missions you helped him out), I'd find it extremely hard to believe both Garrett and Basso are distant descendants of the originals instead of the same people (especially since Garrett has a mechanical eye just like the original).

[Bad Whippet]

I like some of the nods to Deadly Shadows. The guards who'd do anything for a coffee (a funny thing said by Deadly Shadows guards constantly - funny because I'm not sure there would have been coffee drunk by guards in medieval times), the similarities to Deadly Shadows sects etc. I smiled at the guards talking about Shalebridge burning down (and I thought "GOOD!" because that mission scared the crap out of me). I love those little details.

[dogsolitude_uk]

Maybe it's like Blackadder, where the same characters recur centuries later.

[Puppy Cat Underfoot]

Coffee has been mentioned in some way since Thief 1. I did propose on another thread the possibility of reincarnated Garrett and Erin, and if this holds true, Ector is Karras's reincarnation. At the same time, I also proposed the theory that this game takes place at most a decade after Deadly Shadows. Cragscleft is mentioned by name in a document, the stone has gone sour.

Keeper glyphs grant you Focus points.

Choke Arrows = Nerfed Gas Arrows
Blunt Arrows = Nerfed Noisemaker Arrows
Blast Arrows = Twinked Fire Arrows

[Kain]

Why Ector is Karras, because he's trying to create his metal man? My game bugged so I never was able to complete his quests.

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by Evil Puppy Cat:

Coffee has been mentioned in some way since Thief 1. I did propose on another thread the possibility of reincarnated Garrett and Erin, and if this holds true, Ector is Karras's reincarnation. At the same time, I also proposed the theory that this game takes place at most a decade after Deadly Shadows. Cragscleft is mentioned by name in a document, the stone has gone sour.

Keeper glyphs grant you Focus points.

Choke Arrows = Nerfed Gas Arrows
Blunt Arrows = Nerfed Noisemaker Arrows
Blast Arrows = Twinked Fire Arrows

I just think more time has passed. It would take more than a decade for just all the clocktower being rebuilt, and the keeper ruins and hammerite ruins to be covered by new city. I think the decendent/recarnation a lot more likely. I'd say the least amount of time is at least 25-50 years, and would estimate it more 100-200.

[Puppy Cat Underfoot]

Originally posted by rogeriofmartins87:

Why Ector is Karras, because he's trying to create his metal man? My game bugged so I never was able to complete his quests.

Stick around his shop and listen to his mutterings. Also, steal a couple documents from his desk.

Tearing down Cragscleft had to take a while: a prison, on top of a factory, on the top level of a mine.

[RedRevReyn]

Originally posted by garrett2008:

Feels to me more like a slap in a face than a wink actualy.

Going to have to agree with you.