Keepers, Hamerites or Pagans?

[RenWex]

Does anyone know if these factions from the previous game will be involved in any kind?
I really enjoyed them and would like to see them again

[Mr JC Denton in Da Fresh]

Honestly, there's no confirmation AT ALL that any of them would appear. The only promising detail would be the end of the Thief 101 trailer which showed some strange supernatural creatures, possibly zombies. Other than that, no clue whether the three factions would appear. This is after all, a reboot. However, I won't rule them out totally.

[sounds odd]

There is evidence of their existance in old ruins but I think that, in this version of the city, those groups are a thing of the past.

[AlexJBlack]

Unfortunately it doesn't look like the factions will appear. I know its a reboot/rebirth but these fractions was such a big part of the Thief world and story. A big thing with the Thief franchise was that when you started playing it you thought it was just a middle ages stealth game. Then all those crazy things happens and you realise it's a Dark fantasy stealth game.

[Rockn-Roll]

Thief 4 occurs in the past before Hammers and Pagans became popular. There are other factions though...we know of The Beggars and The Graven, and though not exactly a "Faction" The House of Blossoms, and of course The Keepers and The Watch.

[RenWex]

Well I hope they will at least play a minor role in the world....
I really loved them

[ntj]

I don't think Thief 4 is set prior to the previous games - due to the references to his protege Erin (whom I think was in Thief 3). Also (some) technology is more advanced in Thief 4 - cash register (nothing like that that I recall in the previous games).There will be no Hammers or Pagans,not so sure about Keepers either from what I've read and watched.

[Planeforger]

Originally posted by Rockn-Roll:

Thief 4 occurs in the past before Hammers and Pagans became popular. There are other factions though...we know of The Beggars and The Graven, and though not exactly a "Faction" The House of Blossoms, and of course The Keepers and The Watch.

That can't be right. The Thief games pretty strongly suggest that the Hammers and Pagans have been at it for centuries. Certainly long enough for there to be very old Hammerite ruins, and I don't think you could place a starting point for nature worship.

[Toni]

Originally posted by Rockn-Roll:

Thief 4 occurs in the past before Hammers and Pagans became popular. There are other factions though...we know of The Beggars and The Graven, and though not exactly a "Faction" The House of Blossoms, and of course The Keepers and The Watch.

This is not a prequel, this is a reboot.

[Mastachio]

Isnt Garrett missing his eye in T4? If so then its not a prequel.

[Revy]

His eye in Thief 2 was a mechanical construct of the Hammerites.While in this reboot its magical and he was either born with it or gets it during the game.

[Diogenes]

I could have sworn that I saw a hammerite in one of the preview videos. I'm also pretty sure that there will be watchers. It wouldn't be Thief without these 2 factions. If I remember right though, Pagans weren't bought in until Deadly Shadows. Also this isn't Thief 4. It's a reboot of the series as far as I am aware.

[Planeforger]

Originally posted by Cadderley:

If I remember right though, Pagans weren't bought in until Deadly Shadows.

You seem to be forgetting how Garrett lost his eye. Or how he beat the Mechanists. Or the entire plots of the first two games.

[Diogenes]

Originally posted by Planeforger:

Originally posted by Cadderley:

If I remember right though, Pagans weren't bought in until Deadly Shadows.

You seem to be forgetting how Garrett lost his eye. Or how he beat the Mechanists. Or the entire plots of the first two games. :D:

It's been a long time since I played Thief all the way through. Probably over a decade.

However, what I should have said is that I only remember them from being in Thief Deadly Shadows itself since they had an actual presence in the game world.

I also never really paid attention to the plot, I played the game for the levels and getting through them, not for the story line.

[Planeforger]

Originally posted by Cadderley:

Originally posted by Planeforger:

You seem to be forgetting how Garrett lost his eye. Or how he beat the Mechanists. Or the entire plots of the first two games.

It's been a long time since I played Thief all the way through. Probably over a decade.

However, what I should have said is that I only remember them from being in Thief Deadly Shadows itself since they had an actual presence in the game world.

I also never really paid attention to the plot, I played the game for the levels and getting through them, not for the story line.

Heh fair enough, I didn't mean to offend.

I was merely pointing out that Thief 1's plot revolved primarily around the Pagans, and you spent the latter parts of the game foiling their plans. Meanwhile, they turned up again in the middle of Thief 2, and served as Garrett's allies for the rest of that game.

[historiainferro]

Originally posted by Cadderley:

I could have sworn that I saw a hammerite in one of the preview videos. I'm also pretty sure that there will be watchers. It wouldn't be Thief without these 2 factions. If I remember right though, Pagans weren't bought in until Deadly Shadows. Also this isn't Thief 4. It's a reboot of the series as far as I am aware.

http://youtu.be/xRVKwlevK3U?t=1m43s
One of the lads in the revolting crowd is carrying a hammer -- upright, whether to smash something or to show his faith in the Master Builder.