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[Jimmy Rustler]

Using a sourceport and turning on mouselook is cheating.

[Emmanuelexe]

You can still use a source port and play it like if it was the original game, keep the same render, don't activate the mouselook, ect.... dosbox is not even like the original game on a pc with windows 95/98 dosbox or a port, it depends how you play it.

[Astro_80 (WASH YOUR HANDS!)]

Originally posted by Mike Oxlong:

Using a sourceport and turning on mouselook is cheating.

You're telling people how to play their own game? Listen, I know you're TRYING to be funny, but at the end of the day, people do whatever they want.

[Emmanuelexe]

Originally posted by Mike Oxlong:

Using a sourceport and turning on mouselook is cheating.

You are doing that and im saying they are not cheating when they use a port except if you add jump or crouch in the options because it can break the "maps" with crazy shortcut, there wasn"t jump or crouch in the original game.

[Jimmy Rustler]

Originally posted by Astro_80:

Originally posted by Mike Oxlong:

Using a sourceport and turning on mouselook is cheating.

You're telling people how to play their own game? Listen, I know you're TRYING to be funny, but at the end of the day, people do whatever they want.

I'm not telling anyone how to play, just that it's cheating and you don't deserve to claim you've really played the game if you're using mouselook, crouch, or jump.

You should use a sourceport though. I'm not saying that. I prefer Chocolate Heretic.

[The Nate]

Originally posted by Mike Oxlong:

Using a sourceport and turning on mouselook is cheating.

THE ORIGINAL HAD KEYS TO LOOK UP AND DOWN SO YOUR CLAIM IS SOME OF THE MOST INVALID ♥♥♥♥ I'VE EVER HEARD

[Jimmy Rustler]

Originally posted by Sgt Nate V:

Originally posted by Mike Oxlong:

Using a sourceport and turning on mouselook is cheating.

THE ORIGINAL HAD KEYS TO LOOK UP AND DOWN SO YOUR CLAIM IS SOME OF THE MOST INVALID ♥♥♥♥ I'VE EVER HEARD

If you think using I think it's page up and insert to slowly tilt the camera up or down and having to return to center using home is even remotely comparable to being able to dynamically move the camera at your own speed in any direction desired, some of your internal thinking parts have probably ruptured.

[Lord of D:]

I agree with you, but only if youre playing it whitow mods, if youre playing it with stuff like Wrath of Cronos or Brutal Heretic then it is understandable to use mouselook and WASD

[Jimmy Rustler]

Originally posted by Lord of D::

I agree with you, but only if youre playing it whitow mods, if youre playing it with stuff like Wrath of Cronos or Brutal Heretic then it is understandable to use mouselook and WASD

Right, it's not the same when the core game's been modified to that degree.

[Hyper Sonic]

Bunch of cheaters when the game came out with autoaim! Mouselook with autoaim off is how real players play.

[OldMemes.biz]

Mouselook is fine.

Jumping is FORBIDDEN

[Hyper Sonic]

While jumping/crouching does provide an occasional shortcut here and there, it actually doesn't give one much of an advantage generally speaking, so I never really use them. After clearing a map sometimes I'll noclip just to save time collecting some items before existing though.

[OldMemes.biz]

Originally posted by 3DMightyMouse:

While jumping/crouching does provide an occasional shortcut here and there, it actually doesn't give one much of an advantage generally speaking, so I never really use them. After clearing a map sometimes I'll noclip just to save time collecting some items before existing though.

Jumping and crouching would give a massive advantage in Doom and Doom 2 though.

[Hyper Sonic]

While you might be able to provide a handful of specific examples, I don't think there are very many cases where they do provide massive advantages.

[OldMemes.biz]

Originally posted by 3DMightyMouse:

While you might be able to provide a handful of specific examples, I don't think there are very many cases where they do provide massive advantages.

I'm not going to replay each and every map again. But there are numerous instances where jumping, crouching, and a combo of the two can cut out 90% of a map and bypass most every locked door simply by going through one window or otherwise "inaccessible" area by the game engine's original design.

[Hyper Sonic]

Well I've played through Doom 1 & 2 and Heretic 1 many times and from what I recall no more than say 1/4 or so of the maps provide any significant shortcuts from jump/crouch, I suppose I can play them again while trying to take jump/crouch shortcuts. Of course jump vertical speed and crouch height are abitrary depending on the whims of those whom program them in. I suppose they use Quake 2 & 3 for reference.