FAQ: Standard and Pro Tables

[Kyur]

Since this a regular question every week, it would like to make a helpful and all-answering post while also suggesting that this information should be pinned in the forum.

What extra features do I get when I purchase a "Pro Table" ?

• Access to the operator menu

You get access to the table's emulated system settings (which of course vary in detail from table to table), including features like tests for lights, sounds or the dot-matrix-display. The purpose for these options are for maintenance and diagnosis mostly.

• Ball control mode

You can directly control/"drive" the ball around on the playfield.

• Tilt meter

You can enable a tilt meter, showing exactly how close to a tilt you actually are.[/list]

• Table view

You get direct control of a top-down camera including zoom in/out.

• IFPA pro tips

You get tips from some of the International Flipper Pinball Association's professional pinball players.

What tables are available with Pro features ?

>>> IMPORTANT: Pro tables can be bought seperately or in season packs. <<<

Season 1 Pro Pack

• Attack From Mars
  
• Medieval Madness
  
• Scared Stiff
  
• Star Trek: The Next Generation
  
• Twilight Zone

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Purchasing at least one season 1 Pro Table also unlocks the Twilight Zone, Star Trek: The Next Generation and Season One custom balls.

Season 2 Pro Pack

• Cactus Canyon
  
• Class of 1812
  
• Cue Ball Wizard
  
• Dr. Dude And His Excellent Ray
  
• Flight 2000
  
• Goin Nuts
  
• Pin•Bot
  
• Teed Off
  
• Terminator 2: Judgment Day
  
• The Champion Pub
  
• Whirlwind
  
• White Water

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Purchasing at least one season 2 Pro Table also unlocks the Terminator 2 and Season Two custom balls.

Should I get the Pro features ?
Maybe. The Pro features are an optional addition to your table collection which some people like to have and others simply don't need. They are in general more targeted towards the big pinball fans who played the real machines, giving them the opportunity to get the "whole package" for their favorite tables.
Also, if you like the work of Farsight Entertainment, the additional payment supports their work and helps them releasing new tables in the future.

If I buy the standard table/pack, will I get a discount on the Pro version when I decide to upgrade it later?
No, you will have to pay the full price of the Pro table/table pack.

Are there other important things I should know about the Pro features ?
1. Using the table's operator menu disables local and leaderboard highscores, in-game table goals and Steam achievements.
2. Using the table's operator menu can disable the profanity filter on Scared Stiff (Season 1).
3. Again, as mentioned above: Pro tables can be bought seperately or in season packs.

And how do I access the Pro features ?
Start your pro table. From the table's main menu, navigate to "Table Menu". The "Pro Menu" should be available from here.

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If you spot a mistake or can provide additional information, feel free to contact me ! :)

[Xanija]

Suggestion to add the following:

Q: If I buy the standard table/pack, will I get a discount on the pro version, if I decide to buy it later?
A: No, you will have to pay the full price of the pro table/table pack.

[I'm Ant]

Wonderful pricing system.

[Kyur]

Originally posted by Xanija:

Suggestion to add the following:

Q: If I buy the standard table/pack, will I get a discount on the pro version, if I decide to buy it later?
A: No, you will have to pay the full price of the pro table/table pack.

Added !

Originally posted by LMA Monster:

Wonderful pricing system.

What...?

[I'm Ant]

We should get upgrade prices to Pro if we already own standard versions of the same.

[Applekid]

If I buy the standard table/pack, will I get a discount on the Pro version when I decide to upgrade it later?
No, you will have to pay the full price of the Pro table/table pack.

Wow, really? That's a tad disappointing but good to know.

[S2]

Actually, there are three product types when buying a table or table pack:
1. Standard Table (if single) or Table Pack.
2. Table Pro Menu: this is an upgrade from a standard table to a pro table. It can be purchased by clicking the coin slot on the table selection screen or by trying to access the pro menu via the table menu.
3. Pro Table or Pro Table Pack: this is the table and its pro menu at a discounted price.

[Kyur]

Hi S2, thanks for dropping in :)

Originally posted by S2:

Actually, there are three product types when buying a table or table pack:
1. Standard Table (if single) or Table Pack.
2. Table Pro Menu: this is an upgrade from a standard table to a pro table. It can be purchased by clicking the coin slot on the table selection screen or by trying to access the pro menu via the table menu.
3. Pro Table or Pro Table Pack: this is the table and its pro menu at a discounted price.

I'm a bit confused here, sorry.

About the 2nd point: the upgrade is still the same price as if I would re-buy the table(s) including the pro features, right ?

[S2]

Oh weird, my edit was deleted.

1st one (standard purchase) is usually $4.99 USD,
2nd one (pro upgrade) is usually $3.99 USD, and
3rd one (pro pack) is usually $7.99 USD.

[Melodic Death]

I'm sorry but Table View should come standard with the game. Just sayin

[Xanija]

Originally posted by S2:

Oh weird, my edit was deleted.

1st one (standard purchase) is usually $4.99 USD,
2nd one (pro upgrade) is usually $3.99 USD, and
3rd one (pro pack) is usually $7.99 USD.

So the corrected FAQ should read:

If I buy the standard table/pack, will I get a discount on the Pro version when I decide to upgrade it later?

An upgrade for single tables will cost as follows:

• Attack from Mars Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Cactus Canyon Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Class of 1812 Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Cue Ball Wizard Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Dr. Dude Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Medieval Madness Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Pin•Bot Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Scared Stiff Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Star Trek : The Next Generation Pro Upgrade : $4.99
• Tales of the Arabian Nights Pro Upgrade : $1.99
• Tee'd Off Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Terminator 2 : Judgment Day Pro Upgrade : $4.99
• Twilight Zone Pro Upgrade : $4.99
• White Water Pro Upgrade : $3.99
• Table Add-On Pack #15 Pro Upgrade (includes both The Champion Pub and Whirlwind Pro Upgrades) : $3.99
• Table Add-On Pack #16 Pro Upgrade (includes both Flight 2000 and Goin' Nuts Pro Upgrades) : $3.99

Buying an upgrade will in most cases cost you 1$ more than if you had bought it as a Pro version right from the start. This is only comparing the cost of table packs, not complete seasons.

If you bought a season 1 pack and want to upgrade all tables, it will cost you $21.95
-> this is cheaper than buying the season 1 pro pack as an "upgrade" ($39.99)

If you bought a season 2 pack and want to upgrade all tables, it will cost you $40.90
-> this is slightly more expensive than buying the season 2 pro pack as an "upgrade", which would cost you $39.99

@S2: Did I state this correct now? Not sure if the prices are correct, they were taken off the pinballarcadefans.com page. I can't check it as I am in the Euro-Zone, where all pro updates are €3.99

[Kyur]

Thanks for the effort, Xanija !

I would be happy to add this information if a developer would validate them.

Obviously, there still is a lot of confusion on that topic (and more than I expected).

Originally posted by Xanija:

• Tales of the Arabian Nights Pro Upgrade : $1.99

I didn't know that there is a Pro version of this table at all. I checked it right away and I can access the Pro menu, though I never bought the Pro upgrade to this (always free) table.

Does this mean that this table is always free in the Pro version ?

[Xanija]

It looks like this has changed from the time the post was done on the pinballarcadefan-site and now. I don't see an upgrade button there as well. As a side-note it's still an upgarde you need to pay for on the android platform.

Can you confirm the other prices? Or do you have the pro versions already and can't see the prices any more?

[♚™]

I think reading through this thread concludes that these packs should just be removed all together in place of 1 and you either can charge more or charge less but the whole packs thing is just a waste of everyone's time.

Someone shouldn't have to go through an FAQ like this to buy a game

[Gray]

I agree with the above poster, it is a bit too complicated. That being said, this thread really helped me, thanks!

[Kyur]

Well, I have to agree that it shouldn't be so complicated but the options Farsight offers are in essence a good thing as customers can more precisely just pick the tables they want to play without paying for content they are not interested in.

http://www.pinballarcade.com/TablePacks

Still, it is a very confusing at the moment. The fact that the ingame store and Steam store offer partially different content increases the confusion, then add the option for standard and pro tables and you have pretty much the mess we have now.

That's why I wanted to create that FAQ here and I still hope we can get something going here, maybe even an official pinned post by the developer that would replace this one here.

Either way, I think it's pretty clear that we need the FAQ or a different model for purchases.

Any input from Farsight is welcome !