Impossible Banzai Run achievement? ... [or do I just suck! YOU DECIDE!

[Dave...]

TL;DR Is it possible to get all the 1st wizard goal in banzai run?

I do like getting wizrd goals, it is just a fun goal to try and figure out what to do.

There are wizard goals I don't have that I can appreciate are better than playing skill. I am not the best, but think I am pretty good.

However I can't tell if it is realisiticly possible to get the 1st Wizard goal. AM I MISSING SOMETHING, going insane? What's real anymore!!!

The Goal is

"Score cycle stunt 4"

what.... the..... hell....

You can only get a cycle stunt on the skill shot acorrding to the instructions. It seems impossible to hit at all to score the "Cycle Stunt" [DX 11 version of the game mostly but have also attempted on DX 9]

I have read through the rest of the rules and there is no information on there being another way to score it. The plunger in this game isn't even remotely consistent or controllable enough to shoot it consistently, and even with the multiball plunge and if you manage to get the two extra balls too, getting 4 skill shots is pretty much random chance with incredibly small odd.

Has anyone gotten this legitimately? Is there something I am missing? Is there a secret I don't know?

[[EED]Pod]

I couldnt manage it either back when I was playing this table. I think you just need to get lucky in a long game.
I sat for ages trying to find the best place to release the plunger. Best I could do was some really low percentage so I gave up.

[MuddyWolf]

It's been a while since I played the table and collected the achievement but if I remember correctly, I got it by nudging.

Maybe Pinballwiz45b sees this thread and can confirm or offer a better method.
It's one of his favorite tables I believe.

btw.
Have you checked the tutorial on PAPA pinball already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owQYSjmuTFE
I haven't but maybe it contains some tips.
Good luck!

-Edit
Just booted up the table and gave it a quick try.
Two cycle stunts in a row with nudge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q6B4DCxd88

[Dave...]

The best result and consistency I've been able to get is to shoot it fast, duge into the ball as it hits the back of the ramp, and hope it clips through the opbject into the hole. There doesn;t seem to be any consistency to it. And to need to get 4 out of 3 is pretty fricken low chances.

[MuddyWolf]

Strange. I can’t remember having such a hard time with it and I’m really not that great. Frankenstein almost cost me my sanity and I still can’t get close to some goals on other tables. (Hello Rescue 911.)

Maybe there’s a trick that I forget after collecting the achievement or I just got incredible lucky.

[Dave...]

I hae tried using mouse, controller keyboard anything to help get the plunge more consistent, but even with the lunget at the same pixel, and the ball in the same resting place in the plunge lane, it is far too random to get in 4/3 times X3

[Mal]

Originally posted by Dave...:

I hae tried using mouse, controller keyboard anything to help get the plunge more consistent, but even with the lunget at the same pixel, and the ball in the same resting place in the plunge lane, it is far too random to get in 4/3 times X3

use an xbox controller with an analog stick for the plunger, which is also good for nudging too.

[[EED]Pod]

Originally posted by MuddyWolf:

Strange. I can’t remember having such a hard time with it and I’m really not that great. Frankenstein almost cost me my sanity and I still can’t get close to some goals on other tables. (Hello Rescue 911.)

Maybe there’s a trick that I forget after collecting the achievement or I just got incredible lucky.

Lol. I didn't find rescue that hard. Can't get anywhere near Frankensteins ramp loop goal. Did you use the time bug?

[MuddyWolf]

Concerning Banzai Run, I gave it another try today and I almost had it. I collected the easy extra ball (8 laps) and managed to do three cycle stunts. So it is possible. You just need a golden game…

@[EED]Pod
Yeah. I did my research and it still cost me 15 hours or so :)
You’ve probably done your own research already but if not, maybe this helps:

http://www.digitalpinballfans.com/showthread.php/10909-Creature-Feature-Timer-bug?highlight=timer+frankenstein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebV2Ph2j7w
Also read Pinbalwiz45b’s comment on the video.

[[EED]Pod]

Doubtful I'll ever bother with frankenstein now tbh. The fact that 99.9% of people have to cheat to do it shows that its a stupid goal in the first place. Farsight should never have chosen it to begin with.

The other goal I'll never do is the safe cracker one. Its just stupid. Theres no skill in having to do a single task an crazy number of times. You can either win a token or you cant. That and the randomness of the way it awards them is just beyond moronic.

[stray_pengo]

Either TPA's plunger is too coarse and/or the rubber post in front of the hill entrance hole is blocking it too much.

This skill shot is easily ~100% repeatable without any nudging on the real thing, so the problem is with the digital implementation, certainly not with OP

[Dave...]

SO! I did it.

I didn't get a way around the skill shot being too inconsistent. I looked at how the skill shot worked on the real machine, and what exactly was going on up there.

Plunging it hard and nudging the machine would move the gate at the top outwards slightly, so the ball could slide under it into the skill shot hole. This was not really repeatable as I could see and involved too much random chance. It went in on about one in every 8 shots.

The skill shot is innconsistent to begin with, so contorller and Keyboard were out of the questions. I used the mouse to always try and keep the shot of the power consistent by always pulling back from the same point on the screen to the other same point, and then had to kinda just nudge it like hell with some insitinct guiding me. I would er on the side of undershooting it, as you could usually judge the ball back most of the time if it wasn't quite powerful enough. Also if the shot was inconsistent in the higher range of the power, then you could at least try and slow it down enough to get into the skill shot. I could get it in about 1/3 times. Sometimes with 2 dangers or 1, but as long as it went in at least once a ball it was fine. If the ball didn't go into the skillshot I would try and powerfully nudge it off the lane posts into the skill shot as a last ditich attempt. Oftern a Tilt, but probably worth the attemp of aout %50 of getting it back in.


This was a lot harder and took a lot more patience. But the chances of me getting it in were much higher per ball.

Keys I found to getting this.

Even though it isn't lit, when plunging the second ball for multiball you can get another Stunt Cycle. It doesn't say this anywhere in the instructions. So if I can get about 2 multiballs a game pretty easily that is 2 extra attemps.

Then, if you drain quickly, on purpose, you get a countdown to restart the multiball.

You CAN get stunt cycles on this. Lock the ball, and pray to your God the plunger is kind. So that's abother 2 attemps, plus the 8 laps extra which is pretty a given by this point,

8 attempts in a game if you can follow this line and drain and restart the multiballs.

I like to think I am pretty good at Pinnie, so that was my in. I couldn't get past the actual shot being too random, BUT I can farm multiballs, play safe and slow, and just keep farming multiballs and restarts until I got 4.

And that is what I did :D Second attempt at the game actually, got the 4th on the 6th ball plunge or something. Plenty of TILTS.