Arcooda Pinball Arcade unlock key

[Monochromatic]

Has anyone received their unlock key.

I want to see the visual enhancements Arcooda was talking about. They claimed that lighting, shaders, textures had been improved.

The Pinball Arcade tables are pretty good as is but some table graphics are muddy at 2.5k and 4k resolutions. I hope Arcooda’s version makes the graphics crisp with 4k graphics.

Anyone care to do side by side table comparisons?

[Mal]

Originally posted by Monochromatic:

Maybe it’s the ol’ update-placebo-effect or maybe it’s the fact that I’m now running the game in 4k and then downsampling to 2.5k making things look smooth but I feel like the lighting effects have been improved, many 3D models seem improved (Ringmaster’s head in Cirqus Voltaire, the genie in Tales of the Arabian Nights, for example), and, dare I say, the physics are better.

I wish I could compare the tables the previous version to be sure I’m not off my rocker.

To me, this is in line with what was being claimed by Arcooda. And it only makes sense that the work involved in making the tables better to accomodate Cabinet Mode would trickle down to the non-cabinet mode. It wouldn’t make much sense for FarSight to maintain two different 3D models of the Ringmaster’s head or two different textures, or whatever just to separate the elites from the plebs like myself. It would be too much work for FarSight to maintain two different version of the same game.

Seriously though, take what I say with a grain of salt. This is only my impression after 30 minutes of play last night. Maybe 4k always looked this good and I didn’t know it because I couldn’t get it to work before yesterday’s update.

This is a joke. The cabinet tables use some separate resources. The cabinet exe was pulled due to some camera corruption. The cabinet mode is activated by an IN GAME code.

DX9 is the same.
DX11 is the same.

Cabinet mode is currently broken.

The update download size was for the Stern tables (Mustang & Star Trek, but no AC/DC) that were added from the SPA app...

There seems to have been some general graphic updates to a handful of DX11 table resource files (but not TOTAN, nor Cirque Voltaire), however all of those were removed (rolled back) when the cabinet exe was.

But thanks for your valuable insight.

[Monochromatic]

Was there really a rollback? Because 4k never worked in the previous version and now it works. I wish I had more time yesterday to verify what I’m saying.

What do you mean by camera corruption? The distortion effect is deliberate in cabinet mode to give a sense of depth.

You’re mixing conjectures with a few facts (I see you had time to do a diff on the files that changed). What’s your source on camera corruption?

All I know is that for a brief moment yesterday, pinballarcadecabinet.exe was available to anyone that updated during that time. Opening that mode from the launcher worked and showed all 70+ tables Arcooda supported as being owned (though I only own S1-3). So, if anything, the .exe was pulled because it allowed people to play cabinet mode with tables they may not even own. Not because of camera corruption.

If there was a rollback (I didn’t have time to check version numbers or file changes) I know for an fact the launcher wasn’t rolled back and was still showing Cabinet Mode as an option.

[Mal]

Originally posted by Monochromatic:

Was there really a rollback? Because 4k never worked in the previous version and now it works. I wish I had more time yesterday to verify what I’m saying.

What do you mean by camera corruption? The distortion effect is deliberate in cabinet mode to give a sense of depth.

You’re mixing conjectures with a few facts (I see you had time to do a diff on the files that changed). What’s your source on camera corruption?

All I know is that for a brief moment yesterday, pinballarcadecabinet.exe was available to anyone that updated during that time. Opening that mode from the launcher worked and showed all 70+ tables Arcooda supported as being owned (though I only own S1-3). So, if anything, the .exe was pulled because it allowed people to play cabinet mode with tables they may not even own. Not because of camera corruption.

If there was a rollback (I didn’t have time to check version numbers or file changes) I know for an fact the launcher wasn’t rolled back and was still showing Cabinet Mode as an option.

Go check the history for depot id 238261.

You can't play cabinet mode without activating it (tied to your Farsight account) in the game.

You can look elsewhere (other forums that Farsight employees frequent) regarding user feedback of cabinet mode while it was available.

[brodzowski]

I'm going to hijack this thread a little and hope someone can maybe have an answer because there's actual activity here.... I have a cabinet. Full on cabinet - plunger, flippers, leds, contactors, knocker, dmd, coindoor etc.... I was delighted and excited to FINally get this option and yet... when I bought it this morning I went back and read the offerings... 150 got you the support for the steam version. Then the other two offerings were for tables AND all the goodies for 499. Am I to understand that beCAUSE I've invested over the years in the Steam version that my 150 is also not going to give me the option to use my other equipment? Plunger/tilt etc? That I have to rebuy "their" version of the tables in order to make these functions work? Lord I hope not. Anyone have insight to this?

[GAH1068]

Correct, unless you own a Arcooda Pinball cabinet you don't get the Kinect or integration with shaker/solenoids, etc. The other 499 version just buys you all the tables offline.

The only reason we are getting cabinet mode is so Arcooda can recoup some of the money they spent getting this custom developed for their cabinet. That being said the little I got to play with cabinet mode yesterday makes a huge difference. TPA should have had this feature for a long time. I will actually play TPA more now. I love FX3 and VPX for cabinet mode and the views even with FreeCamMod were still not as good.

[GAH1068]

True DMD is not directly supported but I already had it working on my cabinet last night while cabinet mode was active. I just didn't have enough time to get the coordinates for the DMD location done.

You can see a picture I took on my phone as I was playing around.

https://image.ibb.co/cncZvy/facebook_1527819069633.jpg

[Mal]

Originally posted by FerreT:

Correct, unless you own a Arcooda Pinball cabinet you don't get the Kinect or integration with shaker/solenoids, etc. The other 499 version just gets buys you all the tables offline.

The only reason we are getting cabinet mode is so Arcooda can recoup some of the money they spent getting this custom developed for their cabinet. That being said the little I got to play with cabinet mode yesterday makes a huge difference. TPA should have had this feature for a long time. I will actually play TPA more now. I love FX3 and VPX for cabinet mode and the views even with FreeCamMod were still not as good.

Better answers than mine... thanks for the info.

[brodzowski]

Perhaps it's worth an email then, yah? I mean... it's pretty obvious that they developed this to go in THEIR cabinet, but for those of us that have our own already --- ??? Ok, so I've paid my 150 for the mode, but maybe an upgrade option of like 100 bucks to get the other features without the tables. Or is it perhaps you guys' opinion that they've modified the Steam version to work with these peripherals and that's why they're sending out copies OF the tables. Am I making sense? UGH! I just want my stuff to work!

[GAH1068]

Based on reports they custom developed TPA to work with their boards alone. I don't expect that they will release this as it will compete with their cabinets. I would be all for it but I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I never though we would get the cabinet mode so I am going to be content with that for now. Who knows maybe the modder's out there will find a way to add support on their own?

[Monochromatic]

Originally posted by Mal:

Originally posted by Monochromatic:

Was there really a rollback? Because 4k never worked in the previous version and now it works. I wish I had more time yesterday to verify what I’m saying.

What do you mean by camera corruption? The distortion effect is deliberate in cabinet mode to give a sense of depth.

You’re mixing conjectures with a few facts (I see you had time to do a diff on the files that changed). What’s your source on camera corruption?

All I know is that for a brief moment yesterday, pinballarcadecabinet.exe was available to anyone that updated during that time. Opening that mode from the launcher worked and showed all 70+ tables Arcooda supported as being owned (though I only own S1-3). So, if anything, the .exe was pulled because it allowed people to play cabinet mode with tables they may not even own. Not because of camera corruption.

If there was a rollback (I didn’t have time to check version numbers or file changes) I know for an fact the launcher wasn’t rolled back and was still showing Cabinet Mode as an option.

Go check the history for depot id 238261.

You can't play cabinet mode without activating it (tied to your Farsight account) in the game.

You can look elsewhere (other forums that Farsight employees frequent) regarding user feedback of cabinet mode while it was available.

How do I check depot history?

Is it possible that there was a second rollback?

Here’s what happened to me yesterday at approximately 8:30pm Eastern:
TPA started an update. I launched it and had a Cabinet Mode option in the launcher. But pinballarcadecabinet.exe didn’t exist. Then after quitting and relaunching a second time a few minutes later, another update downloaded all the Arcooda stuff and pinballarcadecabinet.exe. I got to play it a little until it FarSight did another update that removed pinballarcadecabinet.exe but left a lot of Arcooda assets, the launcher, the updated client intact.

The client required me to double-click on the table banners in the selection screen instead of the usual single-click and I could use the scrollwheel to scroll through the selection screen. 4k was working well. All of this didn’t exist before yesterday’s update.

So if another rollback happened, it may have happened while I was playing for that brief half hour or it may have happened overnight. I’m still at work so I won’t know until I’m home and TPA is possibly rolled back to the previous version.

[Mal]

Originally posted by Monochromatic:

Originally posted by Mal:

Go check the history for depot id 238261.

You can't play cabinet mode without activating it (tied to your Farsight account) in the game.

You can look elsewhere (other forums that Farsight employees frequent) regarding user feedback of cabinet mode while it was available.

How do I check depot history?

Is it possible that there was a second rollback?

Here’s what happened to me yesterday at approximately 8:30pm Eastern:
TPA started an update. I launched it and had a Cabinet Mode option in the launcher. But pinballarcadecabinet.exe didn’t exist. Then after quitting and relaunching a second time a few minutes later, another update downloaded all the Arcooda stuff and pinballarcadecabinet.exe. I got to play it a little until it FarSight did another update that removed pinballarcadecabinet.exe but left a lot of Arcooda assets, the launcher, the updated client intact.

The client required me to double-click on the table banners in the selection screen instead of the usual single-click and I could use the scrollwheel to scroll through the selection screen. 4k was working well. All of this didn’t exist before yesterday’s update.

So if another rollback happened, it may have happened while I was playing for that brief half hour or it may have happened overnight. I’m still at work so I won’t know until I’m home and TPA is possibly rolled back to the previous version.

There was only the arcooda update, and then removal and rollback. The last three updates have times/dates of:

March 10, 2018 – 00:17:20 UTC Change #4160833 (Many DX11 resource updates and WhoaNellie table resource file added) manID# 2757155459818058128

June 1, 2018 – 00:57:06 UTC Change #4512673 (Arcooda update and Mustang & Star Trek table resource files) manID# 2573141550180568307

June 1, 2018 – 01:34:06 UTC Change #4512768 (Arcooda removal and rollback of everything that was included in the previous change) manID# 2757155459818058128

Edit to include manifest ID.

[Monochromatic]

Ok, I’m going to say that the update history isn’t telling the full story.

There was a time where I had the Cabinet Mode (DX11) option in the launcher without the cabinet .exe.
A time where I had both.
And then a time where I was back to having the Cabinet Mode option but the cabinet .exe had been pulled.

But even after the last rollback at 1:34 UTC, TPA launcher still showed Cabinet Mode as an option though they had pulled the cabinet .exe, and 4k resolution was working (which wasn’t before).

Wouldn’t the launcher have been rolled back to only show the usual 3 options (DX9, DX11, Config) and the DX11 exe been rolled back and have broken 4k?

Weird stuff. I’m on the way home and I’ll see if things have changed or not.

[Mal]

Originally posted by Monochromatic:

Ok, I’m going to say that the update history isn’t telling the full story.

There was a time where I had the Cabinet Mode (DX11) option in the launcher without the cabinet .exe.
A time where I had both.
And then a time where I was back to having the Cabinet Mode option but the cabinet .exe had been pulled.

But even after the last rollback at 1:34 UTC, TPA launcher still showed Cabinet Mode as an option though they had pulled the cabinet .exe, and 4k resolution was working (which wasn’t before).

Wouldn’t the launcher have been rolled back to only show the usual 3 options (DX9, DX11, Config) and the DX11 exe been rolled back and have broken 4k?

Weird stuff. I’m on the way home and I’ll see if things have changed or not.

It seems you need to click on Configuration and then Play for it to download the updated (rolled back) PBAconfig.exe

edit: I just stepped through the updates on a clean install and it effectively forces a 0 byte update at the very end.

I also see they have pushed out a new Arcooda build to the beta branch. So maybe the cabinet feature will be back soon.

[sonni]

Originally posted by Ronn:

Disregarding price for a moment

This is asking too much, because the price is simply beyond retarded. There are also 95-76=19 tables not supported..

[Chris]

for anyone looking to buy the cabinet upgrade here is my 2 cents. First i will say i was using NOEX camera mod before upgrading and yes the cabinet support is much better. Here is the good and the bad.

Three screen setup:
you can tell this was made for 3 screen setup. when running in this mode all tables run smooth am i have yet to find any backglass issues. My only complaint here is only one camera view seems to really work for cabinet view. I wish they would of put some more depth full screen views here.

Two screen setup:
If you have a 2 screen setup as of right now there are some issues. I have sent in all that i have found, but with this whole timeline thing i wonder if or how many of these issues will be fixed.

First off i seem to get a lag issue in 2 screen view on almost all tables. not sure why this happens since it does not happen in 3 screen view

Second there are 15 tables that i have issues with in 2 screen mode either a dmd issue or backglass issue. Again none of this is a issue in 3 screen mode. here is the list of tables
1. Als garage -no dmd just backglass
2. bone busters -backglass is way off to the left and since you cannot adjust each table its a one size fits all this cannot be moved without throwing off other tables
3. bride of pinbot -No score shows up
4. CFTBL -No dmd shows up
5.Dr who - dmd is off the bottom of the screen
6.F-14- no backglass shows up
7. big hurt- backglass/dmd runs low off the bottom of screen
8. funhouse- scoreboard just shows zeros and dont work
9. The getaway- no backglass
10. Gladiators - No dmd
11.Gorgar- No score
12 Scared Stiff - no dmd and backglass is sized wrong
13. tx sector - no dmd
14.TOTAN- no dmd
15. theater of magic- dmd not working

so final words i would say 3 screen setup would be a 9.5 out of 10 only lacking with low res backglass, and right now no pinballx frontend support. 2 screen setup is a 5 out of 10. the 15 tables back glass not working right makes me not want to play them at all. Along with the lag issue makes the tables almost unplayable on my cab. To put this in prospective i would rate Noex camera mod a 6.5. This is nothing against the mod it was great when there was no alternative. This is still good for the missing tables that will not work with the cabinet support.