WMS Tables List

[DonkeyJim]

(TPA Purchases Unavailable after June 30th, 2018) Total 61

1 Tales of the Arabian Nights
2 Theatre of Magic
3 Medieval Madness
4 The Machine: Bride of Pin•Bot
5 Cirqus Voltaire
6 FunHouse
7 Gorgar
8 Monster Bash
9 Black Knight
10 Creature from the Black Lagoon
11 Elvira and the Party Monsters
12 No Good Gofers
13 Taxi
14 Scared Stiff
15 Twilight Zone
16 Star Trek: The Next Generation
17 Attack from Mars
18 Dr. Dude & HIs Excellent Ray
19 Firepower
20 Cactus Canyon
21 Space Shuttle
22 White Water
23 Centaur
24 PIN•BOT
25 The Champion Pub
26 Whirlwind
27 Terminator 2: Judgment Day
28 Fish Tales
29 Black Rose
30 Black Knight 2000
31 WHO Dunnit
32 High Speed
33 Junk Yard
34 Diner
35 Bram Stoker's Dracula
36 The Party Zone
37 Earthshaker
38 The Addams Family
39 Cyclone
40 Jack Bot
41 Xenon Numeric Display
42 Red and Ted's Road Show
43 Safe Cracker
44 The Getaway: High Speed 2
45 F-14 Tomcat
46 No Fear: Dangerous Sports
47 Judge Dredd
48 Fireball
49 Hurricane
50 Inianapolis 500
51 Eight Ball Deluxe
52 Doctor Who
53 Swords Of Fury
54 Paragon
55 Firepower II
56 World Champion Soccer
57 Fathom
58 Spanish Eyes
59 Wild Card
60 Banzai Run
61 Sorcerer

[Monochromatic]

Originally posted by sinferno:

You think I am pointless? Yeah, thats right, attack the consumer who speaks according to his own honest experience and industry knowledge meanwhile you tolerate and then perpetuate endless marketing lies from a certain amusement retailer who sells you yesterday's pinball machines at tomorrow's prices and even had the audacity to charge you extra for the pro menus.

As a consumer I would rather be seen as an occasional blowhard than an permanent idiot. Is this rebuttle short enough for you?

Do you work for farsight? I am guessing that you do based on your previous conversations which are all pinball based and obsessively positive toward their work to the point where you you personally attack the character of anyone who remotely criticizes them (without ever addressing any of the criticisms raised). I hope they do employ you because it will mean you will soon be too busy looking for work to attack other peoples opinions on the internet and perhaps maybe then the remaining adults here can talk among themselves in a civilized, constructive manner.

My problem is with your douchey attitude. There are ways to express your thoughts and you’re not using the correct ones.

I don’t disagree with many of the things you say but you really come off as an ass when you say it.

You need to take a deep breath because your last dozen posts have all been epic levels of furiousness.

[*****]

Originally posted by ll7ll7ll7ll:

Is there any way (before June 30) to get the "gold" version of The Addams Family?

If you buy the Arcooda cabinet version for $499, then you still can get Addams Gold. Or try your luck on eBay to buy a TPA account with Addams Gold.

[Starship Trooper]

@Sinferno you sound very entitled. It is just a game. Take a chill pill....

[The Fifth Horseman]

Originally posted by sinferno:

Removing over 95% of the most remembered, classic tables will have the same effect on TPA as those times certain people tried removing the nudity from Playboy, the caffiene from Coca Cola or the rear wheel drive from the Ford Mustang. All catastrophic events which hurt the brand.

I am a realist, I know the ins and out of buisness and that most deals fail because they are not lucrative enough and really no one is to blame. All the fanboy tears in the world can't be used to grease a deal through that is percieved as a dollar short for either party, such is life.

Check who was the holder of WMS licenses when Farsight started producing digital recreations of WMS tables, and who is the holder now.
Different owner, different management... probably different plans for the rights as well, given that that company has at least one video game developer as their subsidiary (admittedly said developer's library seems to consist entirely of mobile slot machine apps).

[Sylwahan]

Yeah, one would have to assume this means the rights holders are planning to either do something of their own or license it to someone else, nothing else makes sense. I mean sure, it's probably far from a cash cow for them, but why else would they not accept what is basically free money and just let the IP rot?

Though if they do something it'll no doubt be some mobile garbage with three free balls per day and microtransactions if you want to play more...

[Nomercy^]

When this game/group withers and dies...remember this date. There is a reason Bally/Williams tables make up the majority of what WAS offered. They made the vast majority of tables that people wanted to play. As someone who grew up playing these tables for real i can tell you most arcades were full of these table brands. The others were few and far between. I will be completely and utterly shocked if these devs manage to get another penny out of me with the other brand tables being the only thing offered.

[Monochromatic]

Originally posted by NoMercy:

When this game/group withers and dies...remember this date. There is a reason Bally/Williams tables make up the majority of what WAS offered. They made the vast majority of tables that people wanted to play. As someone who grew up playing these tables for real i can tell you most arcades were full of these table brands. The others were few and far between. I will be completely and utterly shocked if these devs manage to get another penny out of me with the other brand tables being the only thing offered.

24 of the top 100 SS tables from https://www.ipdb.org/lists.cgi?anonymously=true&list=top300&submit=No+Thanks+-+Let+me+access+anonymously are tables not from Williams or Bally that also aren’t yet in TPA. While they probably won’t all be added to TPA in the future, there are still a lot of good tables.

I don’t understand your point. Are you saying that TPA is done for because the devs won’t be getting more money from people since they lost the WMS license?

Arguably, everyone that was remotely interested has already given FarSight some money for these tables and the ones who didn’t know about TPA or the ones that were on the fence about buying them gave FarSight their money in the last two months on the news that the license was expiring.

So TPA’s end-of-life had already happened and it’s debatable that there was still a huge chunk of people that would have bought the 60 WMS tables in TPA after June 30th.

Sure, there are a few people on this forum that were slowly building their collection and couldn’t get the money in time to buy all before June 30th. But saying that there was still a lot of potential money to be made on WMS tables is a bit disengenous.

Are you genuinely annoyed or just trolling? How many other Bally/Williams table that aren’t in TPA were you expecting to see in the future had the deal not gone sour? And explain how they are objectively or subjectively better than the 24 Stern/Data East/Gottlieb tables in the top 100 that have yet to be added to TPA.

[sinferno]

So you don't want to be my friend? Good.

If a poster is truthful of facts or at least intelligent or eloquent in the expression of his partisan opinion then it is impossible for them to be douchey, at least in my book. I don't come here to make friends. Real life is for that. I come here to exchange information and opinions in the most brutally honest fashion with strangers in the quickest way possible, not to engage in perpetual text based "circle jerk drop the hanky reach arounds" with other pinball enthusiasts from around the globe. If you are against my manners, fear not. I purposefully aspire to have none whatsoever. Thank you for noticing!

I would rather be known as unpleasant, unfriendly and full of truth (which many of you concede in my case) than the nicest guy in the world who speaks only in still more polite sweet marketing lies that there is no problem with the Farsight license even as this company continues to disappoint and despair its fan base, even now at the end.

Once again, you speak of Farsight as a "capable company that cared and will have a long future" when all the facts are in stark contrast to that. A year from this day now neet me here again and we will quarrel about whether they ever even exist anymore.

Or better yet I might just clean the fuzz out of my keyboard that day. Both activities rank about the same as an act of amusement if not level of general importance to me.

[Sylwahan]

I don't particularly care either way as it's not a real table (and I think it's weak anyway), but I'm curious will Doctor Who: Master of Time disappear or not? It was created by FarSight but still has the Williams name attached to it (and based on the original table under the hood?)

[The Fifth Horseman]

Originally posted by Paz:

I don't particularly care either way as it's not a real table (and I think it's weak anyway), but I'm curious will Doctor Who: Master of Time disappear or not? It was created by FarSight but still has the Williams name attached to it (and based on the original table under the hood?)

Under the hood it runs on a copy of the original ROM. It's not on the list of tables scheduled for removal, but I would not count on it remaining.

If I'm wrong and it stays, then I'll definitely grab it next time there's an opportunity.

[malienvictor2004]

Well, that sucks. I was still planning on buying Pin Bot, Jack Bot, Star Trek TNG, ToM and Twilight Zone. Didn't even know that these table were being removed. Thanks a bunch Farsight. No point in buying anything from this client without Bally/Williams titles. So, now there is no other alternative to buying and playing these virtual tables. Good luck Farsight staying afloat on lost revenue.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Originally posted by malienvictor2004:

Well, that sucks. I was still planning on buying Pin Bot, Jack Bot, Star Trek TNG, ToM and Twilight Zone. Didn't even know that these table were being removed. Thanks a bunch Farsight. No point in buying anything from this client without Bally/Williams titles. So, now there is no other alternative to buying and playing these virtual tables. Good luck Farsight staying afloat on lost revenue.

First, the removal was announced two months ahead of time.
Second, it wasn't Farsight's choice to remove them - Scientific Games, the company currently holding Williams and Bally IPs, refused to renew Farsight's license.
You are right that there are no other legal alternatives - despite what some may claim, unlicensed recreations (in Visual Pinball etc) aren't completely legal.

[Jamie A. Rose]

Originally posted by The Fifth Horseman:

Originally posted by malienvictor2004:

Well, that sucks. I was still planning on buying Pin Bot, Jack Bot, Star Trek TNG, ToM and Twilight Zone. Didn't even know that these table were being removed. Thanks a bunch Farsight. No point in buying anything from this client without Bally/Williams titles. So, now there is no other alternative to buying and playing these virtual tables. Good luck Farsight staying afloat on lost revenue.

First, the removal was announced two months ahead of time.
Second, it wasn't Farsight's choice to remove them - Scientific Games, the company currently holding Williams and Bally IPs, refused to renew Farsight's license.
You are right that there are no other legal alternatives - despite what some may claim, unlicensed recreations (in Visual Pinball etc) aren't completely legal.

Not like WMS is leaving us with a lot of choice there. I mean they're either going to sit on the licenses and let them die, or repackage them into some mobile phone garbage filled with microtransactions and gamble boxes.

[poisony]

Luckily, I already had season 2 and some table packs (Medieval Madness was one of my favorite tables when I was young, got to get it). Also won two twitch giveaways (Jack*Bot and Black Knight 2000, tables I only got to know and play because of Pinball Arcade). And that launch pack (Black Hole, Ripley's and Theatre of Magic) when it was 1 cent. It's not everything, but on the other hand I'm satisfied that I can play tables that I'll probably never find again.

It's a shame that whoever's holding Williams/Bally didn't want to renew the contract. It's also a shame that we get only one side of the deal having to announce that. Kinda makes Farsight look like the devil who decided to shut most of the content of their game just for the sake of it.

Originally posted by Jamie Rose:

Not like WMS is leaving us with a lot of choice there. I mean they're either going to sit on the licenses and let them die, or repackage them into some mobile phone garbage filled with microtransactions and gamble boxes.

So the options are basically letting the licenses die slowly or quickly, huh? That's sad.

[Phantom Spaceman]

Originally posted by Kusn Jimmy:

Some really great tables too. We're disappointed about it, but we'll still release more great stuff.

One thing that troubles me - I didn't buy the pro option. It was a simple matter of economics - I had to buy the tables and backglass support before they were gone, and that would have been an additional $70 at the moment of purchase - I think I spent something on the order of $370 (which is the single largest gaming purchase I have ever made in software ever). i don't know about where you are from, but here, that's a whole lot of money.

I beat that deadline to have licenses to the tables, but I can't now get the pro options. The difference between a 3-ball game and a 5-ball game shouldn't be a license issue, but there it is.