Controller? :: System Shock 2 General Discussions

Kenshiro3

Oct 25, 2015 @ 4:57am

no... the interface basically requires M&K

#1

Lord Of Dorkness has System Shock 2

Oct 25, 2015 @ 5:05am

I'd almost pay to see somebody try to play this with a controller.

But, no, no native controller support.

I think the game has joy-stick support becuse that was all the rage for FPSs for quite a bit, but that's about it. Still not something I'd recommend for a game this old, though.

#2

curly_nuts has System Shock 2

Oct 25, 2015 @ 5:30am

Originally posted by Lord Of Dorkness:
I'd almost pay to see somebody try to play this with a controller.

But, no, no native controller support.

I think the game has joy-stick support becuse that was all the rage for FPSs for quite a bit, but that's about it. Still not something I'd recommend for a game this old, though.

i just wanted an option to play on my "steam machine" that I built for my big screen tv.

#3

Lord Of Dorkness has System Shock 2

Oct 25, 2015 @ 5:49am

Originally posted by curly_nuts:
i just wanted an option to play on my "steam machine" that I built for my big screen tv.

Can respect that.

But although SS2 is quite time-less in many ways, the controlls are horrible dated in that 'let's go the flight-sim route and have one button for every little action' way PC games were infamus for for quite awhile.

You MIGHT be able to map enough actions to a gamepad for it to be playable, but not even nearly as much as with a mouse and keyboard.

Still, I'd reccomend you try something else as the first game on that set-up. You're just going to get really frustrated otherwise.

#4

curly_nuts has System Shock 2

Oct 25, 2015 @ 7:31am

Originally posted by Lord Of Dorkness:
Originally posted by curly_nuts:
i just wanted an option to play on my "steam machine" that I built for my big screen tv.

Can respect that.

But although SS2 is quite time-less in many ways, the controlls are horrible dated in that 'let's go the flight-sim route and have one button for every little action' way PC games were infamus for for quite awhile.

You MIGHT be able to map enough actions to a gamepad for it to be playable, but not even nearly as much as with a mouse and keyboard.

Still, I'd reccomend you try something else as the first game on that set-up. You're just going to get really frustrated otherwise.

maybe that steam controller will make it viable. we'll see...

#5

phillippi2 has System Shock 2

Oct 25, 2015 @ 2:08pm

They did have Shock 2 running on the Dreamcast... As it currently is, however, I don't think it would work well.

#6

Vepar

Oct 25, 2015 @ 8:52pm

Get the Steam controller. You can map an insane number of binds to it's buttons and it works well. You'll just have to play with the configuration of it to get it just right for you. But that's the fun in PC gaming. You can do anything you want with your games and hardware. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m-ydOiJ9CY

System shock is showing at around 6:30 time...

Last edited by Vepar; Oct 25, 2015 @ 8:53pm

#7

♡ Katalina Aryze ♡ has System Shock 2

Sep 18, 2017 @ 4:14pm

Reviving this thread for the sheer fact that there are a few controllers you can play this game with now and yes, feels better with a controller over mouse and keyboard.

We're in 2017 so alot has changed in the two years since this thread was written and it's not a D&D rpg so the interface can be dealt with quite easily.

Worse comes to worse, there's that contoller app on Steam anyway ;)

#8

ps47.3dfx

Sep 19, 2017 @ 1:55am

Originally posted by DontBlink +_- UrDead:
feels better with a controller over mouse and keyboard.

no.. just no. no amount of autoaim (which this game doesn't have, btw) can ever beat the precision of mouse aiming, end of story. if you don't believe me, throw a deathmatch with someone who uses m&k, and see who wins.

#9

♡ Katalina Aryze ♡ has System Shock 2

Sep 19, 2017 @ 2:11am

Originally posted by ps47.3dfx:
Originally posted by DontBlink +_- UrDead:
feels better with a controller over mouse and keyboard.
no.. just no. no amount of autoaim (which this game doesn't have, btw) can ever beat the precision of mouse aiming, end of story. if you don't believe me, throw a deathmatch with someone who uses m&k, and see who wins.

Why do you assume that I was talking about auto-aim or even that I was talking in a competitive state? Sure, let's go there I guess.

Tbh, I think it's just as ignorant as someone in a fighting tournent saying "You'll never beat me with a controller, I have a superior fightstick".

I've seen people with controllers beat m+kb in any fps, without auto-aim, I've also seen people use a 4,000dpi trackball mouse beat people with 16,000dpi mice. If you don't believe me, feel free to look it up on youtube. Sometimes it's more about what people are comfortable with over the tech behind it BUT this is a single player game so I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the original statement I made.

#10

ps47.3dfx

Sep 19, 2017 @ 5:14am

lets do it the other way around - link a video of a FPS MP where someone with a controller is beating someone with m&k (who isn't a goat).

seen a video where the Angry Video Game Nerd was playing a Doom source port with a controller a couple of weeks ago, and it was painful to watch. controllers are great for your Mortal Kombats and Final Fantasies, but if need to shoot a guy's left eye out.. not so much. and it matters little whether it's in MP or SP (I actually do watch SS2 LPs quite a bit, and ones where a controller is being used are instantly recognizable - "oh god what's wrong with this guys controls? ah, he's using a controller..").

ah, there you are;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVtDsQ5L_oc

Last edited by ps47.3dfx; Sep 19, 2017 @ 5:19am

#11

Vepar

Sep 19, 2017 @ 6:27am

Honestly, I play FPS games with a Steam controller all the time and it works great. I even beat System shock with it again, but SC has a trackpad. I would never attempt an FPS with an analog stick though, especially not SS2 with its inventory management.

But that's just me, maybe someone can. I seriously doubt any controller is good in a competitive setting, but SS2 isn't a competitive game, so a controller should work fine.

It all comes down to personal preference. Besides, I didn't watch every multiplayer match in history so maybe someone out there is better with a controller than mouse and keyboard.

#12

♡ Katalina Aryze ♡ has System Shock 2

Sep 19, 2017 @ 5:51pm

Originally posted by ps47.3dfx:
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This is too easy to contest.

How do you know that the people I'm talking about are playing against people who aren't good with mouse+keyboard? I'm talking about highly skilled/evenly skilled players on both end. Not sure how you can prove me wrong except for saying "Believe me" or something silly like that.

Have you ever been to an actual tournament which has people who use both controller or kb+m? I can tell you haven't because the usual kb+m user will tell you that a high level kb+m user will smoke a high level controller user every time which isn't the fact. For those of us who have actually seen it, we can know that it's not about the hardware but about player creativity, sheer skill and strategy.

As I said before, if what you were saying is true than this wouldn't exist:
https://youtu.be/WcbREL1Ve10

https://youtu.be/q_Ak0ZNEf8g

The proof is in the pudding, I don't have time for petty arguments.

This is a good educational video for you:
https://youtu.be/i1YwHxl-rPU

Trying to convince someone of the myth that hardware = skill was never true to begin with. Next you'll be telling me that Hollow Knight is better played with kb+m when kb+m has a delay that controllers don't or that racing games are better with kb+m when triggers are far better for racing games. Being into pc gaming sincethe late 80's and witnessing the evolution of the gaming scene in general has taught me well.

Still, again I'm confused why you made claims in the first place when this is a single player game. Seems like an strange argument to make, as what I said originally was targeted for this game specifically.

#13

♡ Katalina Aryze ♡ has System Shock 2

Sep 19, 2017 @ 6:07pm

Also to add to my previous statement, this next video just proves my point as it sheds alot of truths about the general mouse and keyboard populus in pc gaming:
https://youtu.be/ipvGE5FkJRE

"If you do well with controller against a team of elite veterans than you are a hacker who uses aimbot, etc etc." Simply for the fact that they couldn't handle being beat by someone who uses controller, therefore fights it or refuses to acknowledge that it can even happen in the first place.

Keep in mind that I am a keyboard and mouse user generally and only really use controllers for racing, fighting and platforming games as those games usually have some delay when using keyboard an mouse anyways.

Still I like to give credit where it's due, without bias but only featuring knowledge.

Here is another prime example of someone with a controller smoking elite keyboard and mouse players, if you cannot tell that they are then you may not be familiar with the game at hand:
https://youtu.be/LnAbjp0EKsw

#14

post apocalypse otter boi has System Shock 2

Sep 20, 2017 @ 6:56am

Fun fact, keybroad is better for rts and rpg games. Just take a look a halo wars 2 and destiny if you don't believe me.

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