How do I strafe?

[[SOT]bar10dr]

Docking with reverse is really really bad on mouse/keyboard, how do I strafe left and right?

[Dwarf80]

took me 3 levels to finally start getting the hang of just backing up with just the rear camera, everyday is groundhog day. I faint everytime i see a 2 or 3 trailer rig.

[Zero]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dwarf80:

took me 3 levels to finally start getting the hang of just backing up with just the rear camera, everyday is groundhog day. I faint everytime i see a 2 or 3 trailer rig.

you don't have to back up to do anything on this game, all bays have plenty of space to just enter normally and detach the trailers.

[Jannix]

I find it hilarious that asking for lateral thrust controls in a space setting is somehow considered easy mode? It really isn't about making the game easy. For flight game fanatics like myself who enjoy Elite, Star Citizen,etc, it is about using our HOTAS and other flight equipment to fully utilize the "space" aspect of this being set in space. Also, people can and do amazingly complex maneuvers in 3D space if you combine full 6DOF with some form of thruster assist OFF mode which simulates Newtonian physics. I would say space flight enthusiasts who fly with FA OFF are far more skilled than drivers who drive in a 2D plane.

[Zedd]

...quick shoutout to whoever mentioned it earlier- Independence war (1997!!) had all of that already. Man, that was one hell of a space game.

anyway, back on track. I'm on the no-strafing-thank-you side of things, but for the sake of constructiveness, I'd suggest this for a possible way of implementation:


Have strafing controls linked to your "Drive-assist" button. With Drive Assist on, the entire thing works as it is now, you cannot strafe, you park in reverse like a truck.

When you turn Drive Assist off, however, it now enables strafing controls. However:
When not carrying a load, you can now fully strafe as you'd expect.
When carrying a load, the load has no thrusters on there of course, so your strafing controls are now only useful to adjust your vector when you're floating down the motorway at high speed.


How's that sound?

[Heatnixx]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von San Sany4:

Star Trucker is not Elite.

Star Trucker is not No Man's Sky.

Star Trucker is not X.

Star Trucker is not Freelancer.

Star Trucker is not Evochron.

Star Trucker is not Everspace.

Star Trucker is not Freespace.

Star Trucker is not Star Citiizen.

Star Trucker is Star Trucker.

Lack of "strafing" is an artistic choice.

Why is it so hard to understand?

Cool, it's a bad artistic choice.

If I paint the Mona Lisa and then splatter ♥♥♥♥ all over it, that's an artistic choice too.

[Heatnixx]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zedd:

...quick shoutout to whoever mentioned it earlier- Independence war (1997!!) had all of that already. Man, that was one hell of a space game.

anyway, back on track. I'm on the no-strafing-thank-you side of things, but for the sake of constructiveness, I'd suggest this for a possible way of implementation:


Have strafing controls linked to your "Drive-assist" button. With Drive Assist on, the entire thing works as it is now, you cannot strafe, you park in reverse like a truck.

When you turn Drive Assist off, however, it now enables strafing controls. However:
When not carrying a load, you can now fully strafe as you'd expect.
When carrying a load, the load has no thrusters on there of course, so your strafing controls are now only useful to adjust your vector when you're floating down the motorway at high speed.


How's that sound?

No, just no. Give us strafe control, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BUTS or ONLY or IFS. Just let people have some fun ffs.

[🚛 Akehiko ⬛️💀🟧]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Heatnixx:

No, just no. Give us strafe control, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BUTS or ONLY or IFS. Just let people have some fun ffs.

Skill issue, learn to drive a space truck

[San Sany4]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Heatnixx:

No, just no. Give us strafe control, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BUTS or ONLY or IFS.

"Give"? "No BUTS?" Wow, such entitlement. Why the hell devs should "give" Your Highness anything at all? They never promised 6DoF.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Heatnixx:

Just let people have some fun ffs.

Yes, exactly! Let us who have fun playing Star Trucker have fun. Don't nag devs, don't push them towards wasting time on adding that useless feature instead of something that we would like instead.

If you're not having fun, don't play this game, simple as that. Refund, don't buy it, go play another game that has 6DoF, or even better, make one yourself. These two guys were able to make a game, why can't you?

[San Sany4]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Heatnixx:

If I paint the Mona Lisa and then splatter ♥♥♥♥ all over it, that's an artistic choice too.

Exactly! You are free to do this. And people are free to critique your painting, positively or negatively.

What they should not do, is to tell you how they would draw it better, or to wipe away whatever you splatter all over your painting. And even if they tell you this, you don't have to obligue.

[Jannix]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 🚛 Akehiko ⬛️💀🟧:

Skill issue, learn to drive a space truck

In the end, it boils down to this. Is this a truck driving game that happens to have some space backdrops or is it a spaceship flight game where you do trucking (ie, moving goods from A to B) where your ship just happens to look like a truck.

I think the game title is clearly ambiguous. A big draw for folks like me who enjoy the role of "space trucking" in space simulation games is that you fly a spaceship in 3D space and just relax doing cargo runs. To really get into the zone and enjoy this activity, you need full 6DOF controls. On the other hand, if this is really meant to be a truck driving game like American/Euro truck simulator, there is nothing wrong with that. It is just a different audience that does not include folks like myself.

Now, the developer has the option to possibly attract both audiences if you had full 6DOF controls. If a truck driving fan just feels more comfortable navigating in 2D space and refuses to use strafe controls, so be it! Don't strafe then. But having the option allows space sim fans to enjoy this game as well.

[Heatnixx]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von San Sany4:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Heatnixx:

No, just no. Give us strafe control, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BUTS or ONLY or IFS.

"Give"? "No BUTS?" Wow, such entitlement. Why the hell devs should "give" Your Highness anything at all? They never promised 6DoF.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Heatnixx:

Just let people have some fun ffs.

Yes, exactly! Let us who have fun playing Star Trucker have fun. Don't nag devs, don't push them towards wasting time on adding that useless feature instead of something that we would like instead.

If you're not having fun, don't play this game, simple as that. Refund, don't buy it, go play another game that has 6DoF, or even better, make one yourself. These two guys were able to make a game, why can't you?

I don't know whats worse, your reading comprehension or your crappy bait post. Either way, you don't deserve an honest reply.

[Dark]

It is so funny and hilarious to see people defending lack of basic feature.

There are certain standards for any space "ship" game that requires precise maneuvering, and that obviously includes basic RCA.

Imagine KSP without RCA lol

[San Sany4]

If you find the game "not fun" without some feature you find "missing", just don't buy the game. Don't give the dev money and then feel entitled because of that, give money to devs who make games that interest you instead.

I don't like Elden Ring, it does not appeal to me. Should I buy it and then nag devs to add AR-15 to the game so I like it more? No, I'm just not buying it.

[Awesome Possum]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garshtostoles:

The issue is if it's already in space, why not give it the level of locomotive freedom that every other space game ever made already has?

this is not true at all and easily demonstrable. plenty of space sim games only gave you pitch/yaw/roll.

Limiting it in such a basic way for no good reason is stupid. Just moving the thing around at the most basic level becomes challenging.

no, it doesn't. it forces you to learn to plan your maneuvers, true, but it is not challenging at all. you're just whining because it's hard for you to come to grips with the fact that you don't have strafe.

The only limitations to not being able thrust directly up and down or side to side, when they can already rotate along those axes is because the company who built your truck thought it would be funny to not simply let the thrusters that control rotation fire at the same time, just because ♥♥♥♥ you. The difference between yaw and forward or reverse thrust is both thrusters firing at the same time. If it can pitch, it has the hardware to strafe up. If it can roll, it has the hardware to strafe sideways.

I failed to see how letting you strafe would make the game too easy. Are star citizen and elite dangerous too easy because you can strafe? Even if it did make it easier, the game lets you customize it an unusually granular level, every aspect of difficulty to the game. You can already make it as hard or as easy as you want, but don't you dare strafe.

you're not understanding basic physics. go play the game, the thrusters that control rotation DO fire at the same time. The thrusters are at the back of the truck so it simply swings the truck. You would have to place thrusters at the front of the truck in equal amounts to produce strafing. They decided NOT to design a vehicle with such thrusters because it IS NOT NECESSARY to do the job that is required of you in this game. Not only that but without thrusters on the trailers, strafing is absolutely useless for 95% of the truck's lifetime as it would only be used while docking... which you do not need them for any ways.

Docking is stupidly easy with the current mechanics, you've just been spoiled and are whining because something isn't inherently simple to you.

[lnomsim]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Awesome Possum:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garshtostoles:

The issue is if it's already in space, why not give it the level of locomotive freedom that every other space game ever made already has?

this is not true at all and easily demonstrable. plenty of space sim games only gave you pitch/yaw/roll.

If they don't allow strafing, they hardly qualify as space "sim".

Do you realize that even sea ships can strafe on our good old Earth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_thruster