Your parents sold you out, and the incest is all on Andy's side.

[Gl'bgolyb]

Your parents definitely sold you.

• The TVs at the apartment are on a closed network, cutting you off from outside news
• Your parents tell you to quit calling and then never answer again
• The signs on the outside of your rooms are arranged by blood type, A, B, and AB.
• Notes about organ trafficking in the guard's room
• No sign of any government oversight- guards have complete control of the building
• Building mysteriously catches on fire and everyone dies after you escape.
• Hitman hired to cover up loose ends
• No news about the parasites or pandemic mentioned after leaving the apartment
• The documents at your parents' place can not be missed- you must read them to progress
• Mother is unphased by your apparent deaths- and agitated by your reapperance
• Story she sells about it all being an insurance scam might be true from her perspective- hoping to keep you all labelled dead long enough to get insurance money only for you to be released later.

Andy's the one pushing the incest

• Andy is weirdly insistent on protecting his sister's virginity
• He's also convinced one of the guards was leering at her, despite having not laid eyes on them in like, 3 months.
• Throughout both chapters, he's often touching her hair, or has his fingers wrapped in her clothes even when she's not acting all possessive
• He can't figure out if he actually cares about losing his girlfriend
• After the insane dream sequence, it doesn't matter if ashley accepts or rejects the dream- she's not enthusiastic about it- but both options reveal different sides of her thinking it's just one option she has to keep him around- meaning its not some deep fantasy she's been keeping under wraps
• This, in context with her constant flirtish behavior suggests she's just like that in general- but years of it have been chiseling away on Andy's mind
• He asks his long black haired goth girlfriend to tie her hair up... Ashley's is always tied up

Did I miss anything or is this pretty set in stone?

[SolidPayne]

Don't really see the point of the first part. Everyone knows the parents are bastards and got what they deserved. As for the Andy having a thing for Ashley, the rest I get but the first two points not so much, protecting her virginity and annoyed one of the guards was leering at her. I mean older brothers are protective of their sisters all the time, that's nothing strange

[Gl'bgolyb]

Originally posted by spikejet2736:

Don't really see the point of the first part. Everyone knows the parents are bastards and got what they deserved. As for the Andy having a thing for Ashley, the rest I get but the first two points not so much, protecting her virginity and annoyed one of the guards was leering at her. I mean older brothers are protective of their sisters all the time, that's nothing strange

For the first part there's a lot of stuff that doesn't add up. What you hear when you're there, what you find out as you're leaving, and what your mother tells you don't mesh with eachother- the most sensible interpretation is she either 1: knew exactly what she did, or 2: was offered a sketchy deal by organ harvesters claiming to offer a way to cheat the life insurance system. What it sounds like, overall, is the organ harvesters were holding you in the building on lockdown, feeding you almost nothing, and waiting for a client to need organs of a certain blood type- while spinning a story about nonexistant parasites and locking off your access to outside world news.

As for the second part- its unusual for someone frustrated with their overly attatched sister to be so opposed to her having a sex life or men in her life. It would get her off his back when it comes to his own girlfriends.

And as for the guard leering at her... they've been locked in their apt for 3 months blowing through their own food supplies. The guy never opens the door or looks at them. It's probably been 3 months since the guy has even made eye contact with any of them. Unreliable narrator. He didn't even bring it up until the dream sequence. I think he just convinced himself that was going on to feel better about it.

[ScreechingSergal]

Yep, that's why I knew the mom was lying to save herself. Sure, she probably struggled raising them as kids given Ashley's personality... But she definitely got those 'fake' death certificates in hopes that they had perished. I wonder if the first vision Ashley saw is also connected.

[Moon Guy]

sibling breeding

[Sif]

I think you ignored her being game pretty much from the start. They're both incest enjoyers as far as I am concerned

[Dr_Harnsaft]

The part about Andy protecting her virginity seems more about not sleeping with some weird stranger for a weird reason than obsession and him being careful around the guards seems pretty normal in that situation. Also remember how much seething other girls speeping with Andy caused in her.

[Akameka]

Originally posted by Sifu:

I think you ignored her being game pretty much from the start. They're both incest enjoyers as far as I am concerned

IMO, Andrew is clearly interested from the start, meanwhile Ashley, despite the teasing, Don't really consider him as a romantic interest at first. She wants him for her alone, but didn't really asked herself what would result of that.
After all, the dream sequence in burial route, no matter the choice made by the player, is about Ashley Acknowledging her feelings for Andrew.

There are only two solution to the final puzzle. A valid take would be to place the broken heart on the first one (once upon a time, a loosy life) as Ashley childhood is sad and an unloved one, then a happy Ashley looking at Andrew and his girlfriend loving each other. But as Ashley is not a normal person, this is not considered by her as a solution to the puzzle.

The only two solutions are either :
- Ashley being happy with Andrew, then being heart broken looking at Andrew loving his girlfriend.
- Ashley being in love with Andrew, then looking happily at Andrew breaking with his girlfriend.
At this point, Ashley (the player at that moment) realise there is only two possibilities for her. Choosing to be in love and happy forever with Andrew, or letting him go with someone else, and end up heart Broken.

[Gl'bgolyb]

Originally posted by Dr_Harnsaft:

The part about Andy protecting her virginity seems more about not sleeping with some weird stranger for a weird reason than obsession and him being careful around the guards seems pretty normal in that situation. Also remember how much seething other girls speeping with Andy caused in her.

Ashley's motivation is spelled out from the first couple minutes of the game and continually hammered on- she's an overly possessive person that views Andrew's attention towards other girls as taking away from her. She's also really, really obsessed with upholding their childish nicknames and adventures because that's when they were the best friends.

When push actually comes to shove and she finds out he wants to sleep with her- she's shocked, not happy- and then just kind of discounts it as "well that's ONE way to keep him around".

Doesn't seem important to her- as long as it keeps him around. Pathological attachment.

[leonnolan]

Ashley doesn't push for incest? She's literally the only one who makes direct advancements with intention. She's *overtly* incestuous towards him, often making sexual jokes towards him. Yes, he's a willing participant and tries to sate those urges through various means, often indirect, but you cannot gaslight us into thinking Ashley isn't also pushing for it, it's so blatantly obvious. She would ♥♥♥♥ him at any point he tried to. They're both willing participants in this however much Andrew is in denial, in fact he's the only one who tries to outsource those urges elsewhere, whereas Ashley just wants to ♥♥♥♥ him.

[Akameka]

Originally posted by leonnolan:

Ashley doesn't push for incest? She's literally the only one who makes direct advancements with intention. She's *overtly* incestuous towards him, often making sexual jokes towards him. Yes, he's a willing participant and tries to sate those urges through various means, often indirect, but you cannot gaslight us into thinking Ashley isn't also pushing for it, it's so blatantly obvious. She would ♥♥♥♥ him at any point he tried to. They're both willing participants in this however much Andrew is in denial, in fact he's the only one who tries to outsource those urges elsewhere, whereas Ashley just wants to ♥♥♥♥ him.

Ashley is just teasing him because it's fun for her. She doesn't have any kind of empathy, so she doesn't understand how other people can think and react about what she does. That's why she is always pushing things further and further, without even considering that at some point, it will reach a threshold and there will be consequences and backfire.
Each time she pushes Andrew too far, it was clear to any sane mind, that she WAS going too far, yet, she acts surprised when he snaps.

Also, never said she would be against it if he actually jumped on her. Just that she is not really considering it as something that she actually want. Until the burial dream. She even say or think something close to "Well, that's ONE way to keep Andrew around. Considering our situation, I am surprised it didn't happen yet."
Meaning that was not in her mind before this point.

And Andrew is not in denial at all. He clearly knows he want her from the begining but tries really hard to stop himself because he knows how wrong it is. But the more wrog things he does, the less restrain he has.

[SolidPayne]

Yeah, Ashley clearly likes the idea. If she wasn't she wouldn't tease him so much on it. Maybe not romantically but still

as for her being shocked about Andrew wanting to sleep with her. I mean after the incest vision, she's more like "well that's a thing that happened" clearly not shocked, She even says "Figured it would happen eventually"

[leonnolan]

Originally posted by L'infâme Akameka:

Originally posted by leonnolan:

Ashley doesn't push for incest? She's literally the only one who makes direct advancements with intention. She's *overtly* incestuous towards him, often making sexual jokes towards him. Yes, he's a willing participant and tries to sate those urges through various means, often indirect, but you cannot gaslight us into thinking Ashley isn't also pushing for it, it's so blatantly obvious. She would ♥♥♥♥ him at any point he tried to. They're both willing participants in this however much Andrew is in denial, in fact he's the only one who tries to outsource those urges elsewhere, whereas Ashley just wants to ♥♥♥♥ him.

Ashley is just teasing him because it's fun for her. She doesn't have any kind of empathy, so she doesn't understand how other people can think and react about what she does. That's why she is always pushing things further and further, without even considering that at some point, it will reach a threshold and there will be consequences and backfire.
Each time she pushes Andrew too far, it was clear to any sane mind, that she WAS going too far, yet, she acts surprised when he snaps.

Also, never said she would be against it if he actually jumped on her. Just that she is not really considering it as something that she actually want. Until the burial dream. She even say or think something close to "Well, that's ONE way to keep Andrew around. Considering our situation, I am surprised it didn't happen yet."
Meaning that was not in her mind before this point.

And Andrew is not in denial at all. He clearly knows he want her from the begining but tries really hard to stop himself because he knows how wrong it is. But the more wrog things he does, the less restrain he has.

Andrew's reaction to the vision was clearly one of denial. He even asks, "We're not like that, are we?" He thinks it is something he can just ignore and will go away. Ashley's reaction was, "Well, I figured it would happen eventually." As if she has been thinking about it for a long while.

I would grant that Andrew is probably the most thirsty of the two. However, to pretend that Ashley wasn't egging him on is a little much. She clearly wants the D and overtly makes passes at him like on the couch or allows him to even grab her ass without questioning it.

The revelation with Andrew is that his outwardly expressions betray his real thoughts, and he cares a lot less about the misfortunes of others than it might seem at first, like Ashley. He's a lot more like her than it seems. He is just capable of understanding social cues to avoid trouble as much as possible. Like her, he's as much obsessed with her and wants to smash.

Normal siblings don't make incessant sexual passes and jokes to one another unless there is actually something underneath there. Like, if you want to say that it's just her obsession with him that drives her to act that way as a tool to keep him, then my argument still works, she is as much a driver as him.

Yes, Andrew is a lot worse than he first let's on, but the theory that he's worse than her is just a tad odd. They're as bad as each other.

[Akameka]

if you're talking about how she acts in their parent's home, she is clearly doing it on purpose to piss the mother. She even look smug about it when they get confronted by her. Even doubling on the act when Andrew is accused of screwing her.

Also "I figured it would happen eventually" doesn't mean "Well, at last !". It just means she realise its the obvious course of things, given the fact she won't allow any other girl near Andrew, or given how he act toward her. Especially after that dream puzzle which only gives her two futures : being in love or ending heart broken.

Given as how much Andrew is interested in her, I bet it would have happened way sooner if the feeling was mutual (at least initialy). She is just toying with him, cause she knows how it makes him react and find it funny, it also serves as a way to offset her complete lack of self esteem,to the point she need to showoff or fish for compliments from him really often. Ashley is not that different from LeyLey, she's still sad and mischievous and unable to understand the feelings of others.

Again, that doesn't mean she would be against it if Andrew tried anything with her.

Meanwhile, Andrew either broke when Nina died because of him, or was alway a little screwed in the head. Either way, he is someone who can kill without feeling anything about it.

[leonnolan]

Originally posted by L'infâme Akameka:

if you're talking about how she acts in their parent's home, she is clearly doing it on purpose to piss the mother. She even look smug about it when they get confronted by her. Even doubling on the act when Andrew is accused of screwing her.

Also "I figured it would happen eventually" doesn't mean "Well, at last !". It just means she realise its the obvious course of things, given the fact she won't allow any other girl near Andrew, or given how he act toward her. Especially after that dream puzzle which only gives her two futures : being in love or ending heart broken.

Given as how much Andrew is interested in her, I bet it would have happened way sooner if the feeling was mutual (at least initialy). She is just toying with him, cause she knows how it makes him react and find it funny, it also serves as a way to offset her complete lack of self esteem,to the point she need to showoff or fish for compliments from him really often. Ashley is not that different from LeyLey, she's still sad and mischievous and unable to understand the feelings of others.

Again, that doesn't mean she would be against it if Andrew tried anything with her.

Meanwhile, Andrew either broke when Nina died because of him, or was alway a little screwed in the head. Either way, he is someone who can kill without feeling anything about it.

My dudes, eventually you just have to accept it for what it looks like. 🤦‍♂️ She calls him "Beloved" in a tone that is anything but joking. She also calls him "Daddy", for what it's worth. 🤣

[ThunderHold]

Originally posted by Sifu:

I think you ignored her being game pretty much from the start. They're both incest enjoyers as far as I am concerned

Considering Ashley's frantic calls to Julia, it definitely goes both ways