In defence of Ashley (she is not bad/evil)

[~Panda]

i think she's toxic yes but i also think she's a product of her nurturing and environment. practically abandoned by her cold parents and left to be brought up by her brother, she develops extreme codependency and attachment issues.

she clearly also has borderline personality disorder, she has all the symptoms (emotional dysregulation, inability to manage behaviour, impulsive behaviour, fear of abandonment, overly-intense emotions). she's BPD to the bone. without psychotherapy she was always going to turn out to be a disaster - again the fault lays at the feet of the parents here.

she's not bad or evil for being borderline she's mentally ill a big difference. andy is partly to blame too as he's an enabler, but could have a mental illness himself that makes him such an enabler, and secretly i believe he enjoys how attached she is to him.

as for the cannibalism well they were starving to death and the wardens weren't feeding them, in that situation i'd eat a human too wouldnt you? they didnt kill the guy. the wardens were keeping them prisoner with the intention of killing them so they arent at fault for their deaths either.

the parents is a bit trickier this is where it does get murky, i mean, you can understand ashley's feelings and why she sacrificed them to the demon, and the cannibalism there was unecessary. now she genuinely belongs in a psychiatric ward.

but still, environmental factors, her environment, upbringing/nurturing and untreated borderline personality disorder is what turned her into what she is now.

[Watereaters]

A locust does not know the consequences of its endless feeding and does so out of necessity, a bacteria infects people but has no other choice in order to survive and reproduce, should we allow either of these things to live? No.

[Griff (Muv-luv shill arc)]

my guy she literally shoved her friend in a box and used emotional manipulation to get her brother to lock her in and felt no remorse when she died. Not even retroactively. BPD possibly but she's also rather psychotic. She just keeps doing horrible things with no regret

[Nem]

Lack of parental guidance produces Ashley in IRL cases too. It's heavily implied throughout the game that Andy and Ashley's parents are ♥♥♥♥ heads and shouldn't have had kids.

Even when they were kids they were kinda just left to fend for themselves. Having no one to tutor you through your early years is a big reason why psychopathy develops in people because they just don't understand the world around them. Killing would seem fun or not significant to people like Ashley.

Both Andy and Ashley are victims of ♥♥♥♥ parenting.

[Sukaiba]

Originally posted by GriffithDidNothingWrong:

my guy she literally shoved her friend in a box and used emotional manipulation to get her brother to lock her in and felt no remorse when she died. Not even retroactively. BPD possibly but she's also rather psychotic. She just keeps doing horrible things with no regret

While that is true, I also think its important to remark that that was the only unprompted, undeserved, unnecessary murder we've seen of her so far
The Wardens (Both of them), the Hitman and their Parents were all either acts needed to survive, were acts of revenge, or both

[SolidPayne]

She's evil but she's evil the same way The Punisher or Walter White is evil. They're monsters but alot of the people they kill are arguably worse so we still like them

[Watereaters]

Originally posted by spikejet2736:

She's evil but she's evil the same way The Punisher or Walter White is evil. They're monsters but alot of the people they kill are arguably worse so we still like them

I'd say its more like evil like Daenerys or the average big female twitch streamer (like Pokimane) where they do clearly bad things but all is forgiven since they are hot

[MonkeyBone]

I think it says volumes about me that some people see her as evil but I see her as fun.

[ッ tenklop]

Some people are born evil, but its fine since shes cute so she can get away with it.

[Griff (Muv-luv shill arc)]

Originally posted by Sukaiba:

Originally posted by GriffithDidNothingWrong:

my guy she literally shoved her friend in a box and used emotional manipulation to get her brother to lock her in and felt no remorse when she died. Not even retroactively. BPD possibly but she's also rather psychotic. She just keeps doing horrible things with no regret

While that is true, I also think its important to remark that that was the only unprompted, undeserved, unnecessary murder we've seen of her so far
The Wardens (Both of them), the Hitman and their Parents were all either acts needed to survive, were acts of revenge, or both

She's been manipulative and abusive towards Andrew for as long as we've known her and we already know she harassed his ex until she dumped him

[Hiemswolf]

This is such a cope. Diagnosing fictional characters with personality disorders is cringe. The dev called her "Not good, in fact very bad," her soul is blacker than black, she has shown no indication of any remorse for any of her actions, she has shown to not care about Andrew except for the parts of him that love her, and thinks of him as a toy in her toy box. Upbringing does not excuse evil.

You're missing the point. It does not matter that Ashley is evil.
The only thing that is even in question is whether she cares more about Andrew, or herself.

Accept that you love the good little evil girl.

[SolidPayne]

Yeah I don't get it. Nobody talks about how Darth Vader, The Joker, Hannibal Lecter and so on aren't evil (unless they're meming around I.E. "Griffith Did Nothing Wrong" blah blah). We know they're evil and we love them anyway, no shame in that

[MonkeyBone]

Originally posted by spikejet2736:

Yeah I don't get it. Nobody talks about how Darth Vader, The Joker, Hannibal Lecter and so on aren't evil (unless they're meming around I.E. "Griffith Did Nothing Wrong" blah blah). We know they're evil and we love them anyway, no shame in that

In defence of Vader, he's not Evil but horribly twisted by Palpatine, the Jedi Order who shunned him, and by his life before as a Slave and after the death of Padme he basically shut down. It doesn't excuse his actions but he's not outright evil like Palpatine and genuinely thought his actions were for the betterment of the galaxy. He's the typical tragic character.

[Annabelle]

As much as I love Ashley, and want to make her out as not as a bad person, she is. Other than the murder of her friend when she was a kid, I can call the other killing justified for self-preservation.

So my theory is, while she is bad, she learned to not do bad things. Well for the most part. She didn't kill anyone else. So there is some restraint on her part. And honestly, if it does not come to her brother, I don't see her caring too much about anything else.

[Jack Blaze]

This whole post reeks of hard coping and "I can fix her", bro

She's a ♥♥♥♥ person, plain and simple

The only thing that can be excused is the first instance of cannibalism since that's on the Wardens and whoever kept her and Andrew locked up to starve to death. Everything else?

We got her clearly emotionally manipulating Andrew and generally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up bro's life, murdering an innocent girl cuz of jealousy, heavily harassing (those phone call messages, yikes) if not outright threatening bro's gf until she dumped him outta self preservation, manipulating Andrew, flippancy about murder, forcing the murder of her parents, 2nd instance of entirely unnecessary cannibalism and did I mention manipulating Andrew? And as one of the other lads mentioned, she likely only cares about Andrew long as he loves her and would likely have tried to do him in too if he acted a lot more like a normal person.

Yeah, sure, her parents have some of the blame for being garbage parents - but that can go only so far. And it doesn't go all that far in Ashley's case

Honestly, she's real damned lucky Andrew's as much of doormat as he is and that he's also smarter than her. Though, her realization that Andrew's starting to become just as cold about gore and murder, or even more, as her and the resulting unsettlement she seems to be feeling from that has me curious.

Anyways, accept that you like the irredeemably psycho girl and that her being hot is likely playing a lot into that. Can't be much worse than the fans of raging monsters like Joker or Griffith.

Ashley at least will likely get pacified some once Andrew starts screwing her lmao

[Terror13]

She's definitely bad/evil my dude.

You can still like her, but she was murderous when she was like 4 lol, there is no trauma that early, she's just a ♥♥♥♥ lol.

Also to the latest guy, yeah you're right lol, she will start getting pacified when andrew starts screwing her.