What are your thoughts on the story of the third chapter? (Spoilers)

[Zettaitekikibou]

I think this is the most well written chapter so far.

I was expecting Magata to have a creepy young man's voice, like Korekiyo's, considering his appearance, so it was surprising to hear him speaking with the voice of a good old man, and that incongruity made him an amusing villain.

Yo joining the main villain for the XB match was awesome. And for once there was an effort to make both sides sound somehow convincing in the debate during the match; The ones of the other chapters were blatantly totally one-sided. And this one has a good moral message, with the characters exposing the problems of a program being idolized. This is much better than writing the main characters using an automatically generated image as false evidence as the means to defeat the villain, which was a terrible writing in the first chapter.

It's a pity that Oujirou lost his memories in the end, but maybe this will make the main characters realize that it's silly to rely on the powers of their main enemy to have someone revived.

Unfortunately Enoki didn't have much relevance in the story, but it was still nice to see more of her.

And the maid is very cute. And I appreciate that she appears without the gauntlets both in the art of her tension card and in her profile picture for the SMS chat.

[Vinnolo]

makes me think the trash tribe will be filled with "revived" characters that will be ticking timebombs, we already got 2 in

[JokerSoloD]

Originally posted by Vinnolo:

makes me think the trash tribe will be filled with "revived" characters that will be ticking timebombs, we already got 2 in

Yo is potentially resurrected too

[JokerSoloD]

Average chapter, many interesting lines were drawn for the next chapters, XG rules are quite boring (especially after chapter 2), the biggest disappointment is Oujirou's reversion back to Q. All his development in the chapter was nullified. The best XB in my opinion
P.s Even in XG they don't really win, they're just like 'We know we need to finish XB but we don't know how to adequately lead up to it'
P.s.s Now every time I have the feeling that the chapter was longer but it was cut either because of the budget/time, or because of the fear that people would get tired of reading (which happened with the 1st chapter

[Zettaitekikibou]

Originally posted by JokerSoloD:

Originally posted by Vinnolo:

makes me think the trash tribe will be filled with "revived" characters that will be ticking timebombs, we already got 2 in

Yo is potentially resurrected too

I think it's implied in that last conversation between Kazuki and Zero that Zero has been canonically resurrecting the playable characters when all the three characters die in a fight and the Game Over screen appears. The character does in fact appear to be resurrected by Zero's 'word of resurrection'.

[JokerSoloD]

Originally posted by Zettaitekikibou:

Originally posted by JokerSoloD:

Yo is potentially resurrected too

I think it's implied in that last conversation between Kazuki and Zero that Zero has been canonically resurrecting the playable characters when all the three characters die in a fight and the Game Over screen appears. The character does in fact appear to be resurrected by Zero's 'word of resurrection'.

Yes, that's what I thought too.
P.s If we dig even deeper, if we assume that Zero is Shun, then it is clear why others do not recognize him.

[Zettaitekikibou]

Originally posted by JokerSoloD:

P.s If we dig even deeper, if we assume that Zero is Shun, then it is clear why others do not recognize him.

Well noticed! I hadn't thought about it myself.

Yeah, he altered their memories.

[Shylaar]

I didn't think they presented very convincing arguments for why Magata was really a bad guy before the reveal of what he actually was. Aoyama kept going on about how Yo wanted to believe that Magata was a good guy, but in the same vein, for Aoyama and the rest it was just that they wanted to believe that Magata was a bad guy, and they didn't really have anything to back it up beyond that he was a Numbers. The XB match this time felt really disjointed too, the game even cautions how it won't progress unless all the truth comes out but in the end I didn't even use two verity orbs when I won, including the one that's given after the reveal that Magata is already dead...? And the times when verity orbs were supposed to be used were almost non-sequiturs to what was said before, like Magata saying we should look to the future then for some reason wanting me to use the orb to talk about how someone disappeared at a meeting, like what?
I think the idea of this chapter was really good but it was a bit lacking in execution in justifying the party chewing out Yo so much and in the bizarre reveal about Magata being a dead robot mad scientist which didn't end up meaning all that much.

On the other hand I thought the ending was strong, Zero ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up Q like that gives Aoyama plenty of reason to hate him on a personal level since they both meant so much to each other and Aoyama did so much for him, Zero didn't just undo his development in this chapter, he erased most of his identity and everything that linked him to Aoyama and what he was fighting for. I'm interested to see where it goes afterwards because at this point I was finding Aoyama to be a bit of a stale character.

Originally posted by Zettaitekikibou:

This is much better than writing the main characters using an automatically generated image as false evidence as the means to defeat the villain, which was a terrible writing in the first chapter.

The only reason that worked was because of how Ichinose had set things up, it was a classic hoist by his own petard outcome.

It's a pity that Oujirou lost his memories in the end, but maybe this will make the main characters realize that it's silly to rely on the powers of their main enemy to have someone revived.

This is also a good point, since there wasn't all that much reflection by Yo and Tsuki on what actually went down in chapter 2 this time.

And the maid is very cute. And I appreciate that she appears without the gauntlets both in the art of her tension card and in her profile picture for the SMS chat.

Hina is very cute but I'm honestly not sure how any of her trio were really relevant to the story at all, I feel like you could cut the three of them and lose absolutely nothing. The chapter is about Ojiro repenting for the devastation he caused in the anime and showing that some members of his tribe were being condemned by association, but then the ninja trio aren't really suffering at all and just idolise Ojiro anyway and never even have their own comments on his past actions.

[StoppingCow52000]

its good other than the fact that the villain did nothing wrong and got his ass kicked just because "hes the antagonist"

[hawky-]

it is weird that they chose this ending of Q/Ojiro with lost memories in the part of the city where everything is livestreamed and recorded. Unless i missed it and they said every record of a livestream online is wiped, it doesnt make much sense and is a plot hole right from the get go that Q would be able to see a record of for example him announcing he is ojiro and is back. Out of every plot device in a city a delete / forget memories + record of it seems very weird and a huge oversight. But again, maybe i failed to read a dialogue line.

[BNUYY]

Originally posted by StoppingCow52000:

its good other than the fact that the villain did nothing wrong and got his ass kicked just because "hes the antagonist"

The villain is a tyrant that planned to overtake the city by force if people stopped believing his love speech. Totally a crazy MF

[Hevy]

Originally posted by JokerSoloD:

Originally posted by Zettaitekikibou:

I think it's implied in that last conversation between Kazuki and Zero that Zero has been canonically resurrecting the playable characters when all the three characters die in a fight and the Game Over screen appears. The character does in fact appear to be resurrected by Zero's 'word of resurrection'.

Yes, that's what I thought too.
P.s If we dig even deeper, if we assume that Zero is Shun, then it is clear why others do not recognize him.

They DO recognize him, though. In chapter 2, Mita even says something along the lines of "Using that face... He thinks this is all some joke!"

IMO it's very clear that Zero isn't actually Kamiya; their personalities and ideals are way too different, and it'd be a really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ twist given that the game's made no secret of their resemblance. Hell, even the official twitter has been posting art of the two of them together.
The more likely explanations are him being some sort of clone made to look like Kamiya, or maybe he made himself look that way on purpose.

[Zettaitekikibou]

Originally posted by hawky-:

it is weird that they chose this ending of Q/Ojiro with lost memories in the part of the city where everything is livestreamed and recorded. Unless i missed it and they said every record of a livestream online is wiped, it doesnt make much sense and is a plot hole right from the get go that Q would be able to see a record of for example him announcing he is ojiro and is back. Out of every plot device in a city a delete / forget memories + record of it seems very weird and a huge oversight. But again, maybe i failed to read a dialogue line.

Even without seeing any video showing him that he's Oujirou, Q would know the truth anyway, since he has already been called Oujirou in the story after having had his memory altered, so at some point he will certainly know who he is and what he did in the past.

But there's a big difference between just having the knowledge of being someone who did bad things in the past, and having the memory of having done those bad things in the past.

And that makes what Zero did especially nasty, since from now on Q will still feel bad for what he did in the past, and will hear other people speaking ill of him for what he did in the past, without him having the memory of being responsible for any of it. Also, he won't have the memory of all the things that he did striving to redeem himself.

[Kazvent]

The way Zero said oh thats how you guys see it,when aoyama mentions tsuki resurrect,and that revive someone its not sometning easy,makes me think they arent revived,instead they're clones or sometning like that as how sui becomes dust as soon as he died, also maybe yo its in the same situacion as he also has amnesia

[Deelingchy]

My only complaint is that in chapters 1 and 2 the trash tribe outplays Ichinose and Sui with their rules and THEN play XB. This chapter 3 streaming thing felt like it wasn't used to its full potential. Like they just play XB and they're like yeah ok we actually won the XG too.

They didn't do anything, I would've loved them explore the XG a bit more, they did nothing with HIna being a popular streamer they just stream once or twice and call it a day.

Idk if it was due to lack of budget or because people don't like reading but this is the only gacha game whose story I'm invested in it's a shame it was this short.

Maybe we can get a streaming related event while we wait for chapter 4.

Also I can't believe they made such a huge robot for just a scripted fight I wish we could fight it

[Zettaitekikibou]

Originally posted by Shylaar:

I didn't think they presented very convincing arguments for why Magata was really a bad guy before the reveal of what he actually was. Aoyama kept going on about how Yo wanted to believe that Magata was a good guy, but in the same vein, for Aoyama and the rest it was just that they wanted to believe that Magata was a bad guy, and they didn't really have anything to back it up beyond that he was a Numbers.

Many of the arguments about why Magata was a bad guy seemed like nitpicking (especially the one about the boy who was feeling pressured by his adoptive parents to like Magata, though it was thanks to Magata that he was adopted), but the sum of subtle bad things that were happening made Magata suspicious, and then he became even more suspicious by answering the accusations arguing that it's actually a good thing to look away from problems.

The most concrete problem was that the losers of the XG were dying under his rule, and he was giving false hope to people, for them to follow him, by telling them that in the future he would be able to revive them and also make it so that no one would die anymore, even though in reality he did not know how to revive people, and was just hoping to have himself revived by Zero's power, which is a mystery.

And other arguments were about the fact that Magata was uncanny, which made him unreliable as a ruler. Mentioning that he kept repeating the same phrases over and over again may seem to be just nitpicking, but it helped to reveal the much bigger problem, which is the fact that he was already dead and had left a robot just programmed to repeat convenient lies for people to serve as useful idiots to help him to beat Zero so that Zero would fulfill his wish of being resurrected after having experienced the after life.

And the fact that he left that giant robot programmed to use force to make people submit to his rule served to confirm that he was in fact a bad guy, who was willing to sacrifice others if necessary to have his crazy selfish wish fulfilled, and therefore definitely not someone who deserved to be trusted as a good ruler.

By the way, to be frank... his appearance and the fact that he was a transhumanist were already clearly indicating that he was a bad guy.

And the fact that despite all that he still managed to seem charismatic and to make sound arguments during the discussions made him an interesting well written villain.

Originally posted by Shylaar:

The XB match this time felt really disjointed too, the game even cautions how it won't progress unless all the truth comes out but in the end I didn't even use two verity orbs when I won, including the one that's given after the reveal that Magata is already dead...? And the times when verity orbs were supposed to be used were almost non-sequiturs to what was said before, like Magata saying we should look to the future then for some reason wanting me to use the orb to talk about how someone disappeared at a meeting, like what?

In my case I only won after having already used all the verity orbs, and I didn't feel that the XB match was disjointed; I think the whole progression of the argumentation made sense. So perhaps it felt disjointed for you because you won too fast so you couldn't use all the verity orbs, and that messed up the argumentation.

That seems to be an issue in the game itself; It should have been designed so that the player had to use all verity orbs in order to win.

Originally posted by Shylaar:

Hina is very cute but I'm honestly not sure how any of her trio were really relevant to the story at all, I feel like you could cut the three of them and lose absolutely nothing. The chapter is about Ojiro repenting for the devastation he caused in the anime and showing that some members of his tribe were being condemned by association, but then the ninja trio aren't really suffering at all and just idolise Ojiro anyway and never even have their own comments on his past actions.

Yeah, the plot was mostly about Oujirou, Yo, Magata, and Kazuki. Hinagiku really wasn't relevant to the story, but at least she served to be pleasant to the eyes while also serving as comedic relief along with her red haired brother. Also, they served to inform the players that there were also people who liked Oujirou in the past besides Kazuki, although he was hated by others. Like you said though, it's strange that they didn't comment about his past actions. And if I remember correctly there wasn't an explanation about what exactly made them begin to like him.

The short ninja brother was totally irrelevant though, which is a pity, since he has Fukuyama Jun's voice. But he and his brother will probably appear a lot more in the event that will be added in the next month, as they will become new playable characters.