Questions about kingship

[4t2]

I have a few questions about kingship in general and Lebenstrieb in specific.

Are the stacks permanent (until the character dies obviously)? Will they get transfered when you switch characters? (probably not but I am not 100% sure so I figured I'd ask anyway)

The tc Lebenstrieb has the effect of giving one stack of kingship every 15 seconds and healing when you are at max stacks. I tried combining this with the one that gives you stamina on a succesful counter attack as kingship stacks with gaining charges out of normal recovery. I just finished an experiment: I I tried downing an elite only with counter attacks (I did weave in some normal combos in between because it took way too long otherwise) with solo Tsuki. The fight lasted 5:35 yet I have never recieved any healing from Lebenstrieb or got any buff in the bottom left corner that looks like the kingship symbol. Is kingship just bugged? Is the tc bugged? Did I mess up somewhere?

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Did you use either of these cards? Because Kingship has to be enabled first using one of these two.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3448233394

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3448233375

[4t2]

Lebenstrieb itself grants kingship as well. If that is not the case this should 100% be worded differently or changed so it does.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3448250545

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Lebenstrieb only increases stack from what I read.

[4t2]

That's what I am saying. I read it differently and I have now spent so many ressources building tension cards I can't even use and don't want to use if I need another card. The unclear wording made me waste resources in this case.
It also doesn't help that the tc popped up durign battle every 15 seconds and when I got stamina back which further made me believe it DOES give me stacks.

[Vesperion]

Originally posted by ✨Nutkun7993✨:

Did you use either of these cards? Because Kingship has to be enabled first using one of these two.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3448233394

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3448233375

Well then the info for Kingship itself is totally wrong as it says that we "Gain 1 stack of Kingship if Stamina is recovered outside of basic recovery" and there are 2 TC that have this effect to recover stamina by either hit the enemy 20x or execute a perfect evasion.

As we can check the stats in a battle with at least 1 stack of Kingship should already show a change in the stats. I have one TC "Smash" that increases my Crit% when granted Kingship but no matter if i recover stamina via perfect evasion or 20 attacks the cards buff does not kick in even if i have the required tension lvl for the card.

So it really looks like Kingship is bugged IF the destcription of Kingship itself is not wrong how we can gain it aside from granting a buff or shield.

[4t2]

I just tried it again with Phalanx adn Kazuki, both as a bot and main character. I did not get any stats, healing or even an icon to indicate I have Kingship now.

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Hmm I did try Phalanx with Kazuki and Leading Wisdom 2* Tension card to see if Kingship stack gains as intended and it does as Kazuki uses Ultimate from exact Tension Phase 2 Leading Wisdom did reduce tension consumption enough to prevent Tension Phase from being lowered by 2 and so tension phase is lowered to 1 instead of 0.

This could mean that Lebenstrieb itself is bugged and it doesn't actually give anything despite the notification.

[4t2]

I just took out Lebenstrieb and tried it again. No changes in stats and no icon on the bottom left. Can you take screenshots of how your stats change durign the fight?

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

I went in and bought Lebenstrieb to test this myself. Record the entire fight with full Kingship build and no PAT to prevent anything else interfere with the test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QOuVjl7-M0

Conclusion:

At 2:47 Kazuri recovery 6 HP for the first time. His max HP is 2239 so the 0.27% recovery from Lebenstrieb lv1 math check it out.

At 4:35 I use Kazuki's Ultimate that should cost two bar full to test out if tension consumption is reduced by Leading Wisdom. The tension consumed should be reduced by 54 if the stacks were indeed 30. From Full bar, only half of it was consumed which indicate that it's indeed reduce by around this number.

Good news though. In a short test I also tried out Lebenstrieb without Phalanx. And it's indeed grant Kazuki's kingship from the beginning (indicate by bat icon buff) and when I reach tension 2 I use Ultimate immediately and it reduces consumption barely enough to stay on Phase 1 instead of being lowered to 0. Which mean that the stack is there.

So conclude the test. I will do the Lebenstrieb without Phalanx again in full fight to see if HP tick happens or not.

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20RvHpXt07k

Lebenstrieb without Phalanx.

At 2:35 Kazuki recovers 6 HP
3:13 Tension only reduce by half a bar with ultimate

so the stack does reach full with just Lebenstrieb, it's slightly faster because I also use Perfect Evasion recover stamina card this time.

As with two test run I discover the reason why this card can cause misunderstanding. That HP recovery, somehow only work once for the entire fight for no reason. The stack is definitely full, the hp tick did happen and I backed both of the run up with using ultimate pair with Leading Wisdom, yet it only tick once for the entire fight. So I don't think this part of effect in Lebenstrieb is working as intended, the stack gains seems working normally though.

[4t2]

THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BAT IS THE KINGSHIP ICON?
Jesus Christ....yeah I have that. How the heck am I supposed to know that the bat is that icon, where in the game does it state that?

[Vesperion]

Originally posted by 4t2:

THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BAT IS THE KINGSHIP ICON?
Jesus Christ....yeah I have that. How the heck am I supposed to know that the bat is that icon, where in the game does it state that?

tbf there are several indicators missing that shows us better what is currently going like showing that an enemy is under the effect xy and i agree that if certain effects are applied that they should be shown with the symbol of the TC...

But it still makes me wonder why the TC "Smash" (A mob TC) does not increase my Crit% at all when i should gain a stack of Kingship with recovering Stamina outside of normal stamine recovery or it does count already but due we have no breakdown to see the math behind (base + PAT + TC when active = sum) the stats in the menu it "looks like it´s not working".

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Originally posted by 4t2:

THE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BAT IS THE KINGSHIP ICON?
Jesus Christ....yeah I have that. How the heck am I supposed to know that the bat is that icon, where in the game does it state that?

No there's no tip or anything in-game say about this, (just like impairment or debuff that boss enemy like Shark or Brave Diver inflict on player).

Kingship (or any of those set like Unity, Unbending Curse etc) also don't really have dedicated icon nor number of stack. What Icon represent is the stat boost or buff from the set itself. The icon that looks like explosion is Crit, and the one that look like baseball glove with ball is DEF. These two come from that one Unity card, Full Party. Bat indicate the stat change related to ATK which Kingship naturally has them.

I figured this bat icon out due to the Curse Tension setup will cause Primary/Secondary Multiplier to reduce, and it's indicated by the bat icon but in red border instead. These icons actually appear in substat status too but the curse tension clear everything out for me.