For the love of god dont make the next yakuza game turn based :(

[*D4rKsKy*]

Trail after erased his name i alt+f4 straight away please dont make it it turn based. Its killing the community.

[Chuck P]

Nguyên văn bởi Dust:

PLEASE make the next yakuza game turn-based. The brawler system is mildly annoying outside of heat actions at best and infuriating at worst, at least the turn based system works 95% of the time, the remaining 5% being the AOE attacks.

You found it annoying because you actually had to PLAY it? may I recommend watching a movie instead?

[iviurdera]

Im with you. Ive played since the early days of bad camera angles, and over the top voice acting. And while the beat em up aspect can get redundant, y7 is the only game to ever put me to sleep while "playing". I dont understand why they cant just code it to play either way in the menu, or from a NG mode select. They're both built on the same foundation afterall. IDK maybe im giving them too much credit. If you are a dev, and you are reading this and havent thought of said idea, boom.. go make us that banger!

[Dust]

Nguyên văn bởi Chuck P:

Nguyên văn bởi Dust:

PLEASE make the next yakuza game turn-based. The brawler system is mildly annoying outside of heat actions at best and infuriating at worst, at least the turn based system works 95% of the time, the remaining 5% being the AOE attacks.

You found it annoying because you actually had to PLAY it? may I recommend watching a movie instead?

Don't kid yourself. It's not Ninja Gaiden, it's not DMC, it's simple, mindless and easily exploitable; not to mention buggy as ♥♥♥♥ in several entries, unfortunately. The most complicated it's ever gotten was with the quick change shirt and that's it. The main draw is the spectacle of the heat actions (as well as the ragdolling in the DE games, I guess) and you know it. Which, incidentally, have been sorely lacking since 6.

The change to JRPG style didn't make it any more complicated but like I said, at the very least, now it works 95% of the time and I have more fun that way. If I just wanted to watch a movie, I wouldn't have quadruple the amount of time spent in 7 than in most other Yakuza games.

[Hajber]

Nguyên văn bởi Dust:

Don't kid yourself. It's not Ninja Gaiden, it's not DMC, it's simple, mindless and easily exploitable; not to mention buggy as ♥♥♥♥ in several entries, unfortunately.

You can also just experiment, try new strategies. Without being mean, get good at it. The fact that the game lets you cheese through it doesnt mean that there is no depth. I thought I had a pretty good grasp of it until I looked up some combos and damn

[Dust]

Nguyên văn bởi Hajber:

Without being mean, get good at it. The fact that the game lets you cheese through it doesnt mean that there is no depth. I thought I had a pretty good grasp of it until I looked up some combos and damn

I'm gonna ignore that you implied I'm ♥♥♥♥ at the game "without being mean" because I happen to disagree on what constitutes a good combat system, but even if I was, I personally have no reason to try and exploit a game to its maximum if I neither have any incentive to do so, nor does the game force me to get good at it in order to progress even in its most difficult mode, and I have to fight its most basic systems like the lock-on and the camera the entire time. Cool with me if that's your jam, I see no issue with that, but it's not mine. I'll do a fancy juggle from time to time and then the game will inevitably bug out, got no patience for that.

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Nguyên văn bởi Chuck P:

I don't see that happening sadly. Sega now wants to appeal to the turn based crowd, for reasons I don't understand. My guess is that they're all insane and therefore more willing to throw money at games, but that's just a theory. Hopefully some other game will swoop in and fill the beat em up hole left by the yakuza franchise.

Why not just say you don't like the direction the franchise is heading towards and leave it at that instead of dismissing an entire demographic of people as insane? It's perfectly valid to not like turn-based games and I've always sympathized with the people who didn't jive with the new combat, but this kind of slander is unnecessary, not to mention baseless.

[Hajber]

What's so supposedly bad about it. All you said is that the juggling is buggy somehow and that the whole combat is annoying. So why would anyone think you don't just suck at it

[Dust]

Nguyên văn bởi Hajber:

What's so supposedly bad about it. All you said is that the juggling is buggy somehow and that the whole combat is annoying. So why would anyone think you don't just suck at it

Because many people have played Yakuza as well as any other reputable action game with better combat ? I find the combat imprecise, hitboxes will ♥♥♥♥ you over a lot, physics will ♥♥♥♥ you over a lot, models will snap in places you don't want them to, the camera's bad, the lock-on has a mind of its own and you can't properly dodge if you don't lock on, among other annoying technical faults. RGG also had the good idea to add more hyper armor and dodging to strong enemies and bosses after idiots complained about 3's enemies blocking too much. Also 6, K2 and Gaiden cut way back on the heat actions.

You're free to think that I have this opinion because I suck at it, it's fine, I don't care, I'm not discussing this any further. No point to continuing this without pulling up videos and agonizing over every incriminating frame. I just prefer my inputs to result in reliable outcomes. Yakuza's brawler combat is fine if you just wanna bash something and see its teeth fly off.

[MPM2.0]

I want to see both.

My favourite games in the franchise are 0, Judgement, Like a Dragon, and Lost Judgment.

3 is my least favourite, to the point where I'd rather replay Lost Paradise unless they get around to remaking it.

[Cacheelma]

Please keep the action combat with Judgement and Kiryu. My Ichiban is all about turn-based. Thanks.

[Scorpion]

Nguyên văn bởi retsa2b:

Nguyên văn bởi Blastaz:

It seems they know what fans actually want.

I admit this post earned a smirk. If we weren't in a forum where you'll mostly find only superfans of the properties, I would label this post as some gourmet spin. But yeah... everyone will already know that LJ was the aforementioned brawl mainstay replacement, Ishin! was a remaster, and Gaiden is Kiryu's last hurrah. Everyone including of course anyone from SEGA who might hypothetically be perusing this forum for feedback.

I want me some more RPG Yakuza games. And I'm perfectly happy that they've decided one franchise will be RPG and the other will be brawl.

Know what'd be kind of neat? A crossover game in a couple of years. And for kicks, they could split the gameplay evenly between RPG and brawl, depending on the circumstance.

Rpg and brawl in one game, goty material tbh

[ketrub]

Nguyên văn bởi Chuck P:

I don't see that happening sadly. Sega now wants to appeal to the turn based crowd, for reasons I don't understand. My guess is that they're all insane and therefore more willing to throw money at games, but that's just a theory. Hopefully some other game will swoop in and fill the beat em up hole left by the yakuza franchise.

no they're not insane it's just a much much larger crowd than beat-em-ups
as much as it pains me to say this, since they want to keep the series getting larger and larger they have to appeal to more people and going turn based is *it*

[Dust]

Nguyên văn bởi ketrub:

since they want to keep the series getting larger and larger they have to appeal to more people and going turn based is *it*

I mean, we're lucky that this is what ended up happening, but in an age where even Final Fantasy is ditching its turn based combat in favor of a spammy real time action combat system, it was a ballsy move to switch from action to turn-based. I doubt they did it because they knew it'd sell more.

[Metal Izanagi]

Considering that RGG Studio has been making brawlers since 2005 is it REALLY a surprise that after like twelve years they decided to try something different? The devs aren't robots; they were probably burning out from having to find new ways to keep the brawler stuff from becoming too samey between games, especially after 0 and Kiwami kinda hit the peak of their old design style.

[lainiwaku]

make yakuza turn based is the same as making grand turismo turn based game, it's a non sense