Nikoderiko: The Magical World — Director’s Cut

Nikoderiko: The Magical World — Director’s Cut

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DH Jun 8, 2024 @ 10:40pm
GOG
This game looks great, but I'm hoping that this game is also released on GOG.
I'd much prefer buying games on GoG than Steam.
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Shadowfox Jun 8, 2024 @ 11:15pm 
why
Otakuwolf Jun 9, 2024 @ 2:24am 
Originally posted by DH:
This game looks great, but I'm hoping that this game is also released on GOG.
I'd much prefer buying games on GoG than Steam.

YES PLEASE !

Originally posted by Shadowfox:
why

Because DRM free and you actually own the game, not just the access to it.
deborahsimpson Jun 9, 2024 @ 8:37am 
No DRM = game will be pirated
DEnuvo plz
Otakuwolf Jun 10, 2024 @ 4:35am 
Originally posted by deborahsimpson:
No DRM = game will be pirated
DEnuvo plz

1) If people likes the game and it will prove to be respectful of its costumers time and money, there is nothing to fear, heck, I even know of people who buy the same games on multiple platforms and services if given the chance (I'm one of them).
2) It is common knowledge pirates can crack DRM games within less than a week so having one would ultimately only be detrimental for those who buy it legit
3) Denuvo is probably the worse DRM of all known to cause performance issues on top of everything else
4) Games with DRM (especially terrible ones like Denuvo) are ironically the most pirated exactly because people don't want to deal with DRM
GrimLordGames Jun 14, 2024 @ 7:21pm 
+1 For GOG!
L.Brown Jun 16, 2024 @ 5:33am 
+1 @ GOG! :viridian:
Originally posted by Otakuwolf:
Because DRM free and you actually own the game, not just the access to it.

You own the game as much as you do anywhere else; it's a license to play it, even on GOG

If they want the game to be DRM-free then they can make it DRM-free on Steam and Epic as well. It is not required to put a game on GOG just to do so

If it sounds like I hate GOG (I don't except for the part where they don't want to support Linux and the Steam Deck) it's because I have to correct this misinformation so much
GrimLordGames Jul 1, 2024 @ 7:51pm 
Originally posted by Thornskade:
Originally posted by Otakuwolf:
Because DRM free and you actually own the game, not just the access to it.

You own the game as much as you do anywhere else; it's a license to play it, even on GOG

If they want the game to be DRM-free then they can make it DRM-free on Steam and Epic as well. It is not required to put a game on GOG just to do so

If it sounds like I hate GOG (I don't except for the part where they don't want to support Linux and the Steam Deck) it's because I have to correct this misinformation so much

That's false. Because with GOG I have an offline installer that works on pretty much any operating system with maybe a few tweaks later down the road, and yes - Linux. GOG does have Linux versions of games there too, you have to look around. Also, on GOG it is natively DRM-Free. There will be an offline installer for it. I can carry those installers with me from device to device to device throughout the years. They've even stated that their games will work in a bunker if need be. The thing about having a GOG offline installer is that I don't just get a license. Even if a game gets delisted, it's still in my library to freely download. But even then, I still have the offline installer executable. No one can take them away from me unless they put a gun to my head and demand the files. If it sounds like I hate Steam, it's because I have to correct this misinformation so much. 😉

Why should GOG support Steam Deck? It's not a GOG product. If you want games to work on Steam deck, buy from Steam and leave us to our DRM-Free offline installer files. Thanks.
Last edited by GrimLordGames; Jul 1, 2024 @ 7:54pm
Schorsch Wadschinken Jul 1, 2024 @ 11:26pm 
Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Originally posted by Thornskade:

You own the game as much as you do anywhere else; it's a license to play it, even on GOG

If they want the game to be DRM-free then they can make it DRM-free on Steam and Epic as well. It is not required to put a game on GOG just to do so

If it sounds like I hate GOG (I don't except for the part where they don't want to support Linux and the Steam Deck) it's because I have to correct this misinformation so much

That's false. Because with GOG I have an offline installer that works on pretty much any operating system with maybe a few tweaks later down the road, and yes - Linux. GOG does have Linux versions of games there too, you have to look around.

This is not what "supporting Linux" means. And given the issues I had with Hogs of War (it doesn't work on Windows 10+ and neither on Windows 98, which it was designed for), buying that on GOG can leave you with a broken product since the fixes they applied just make it not work anywhere but Windows 8 as far as I know. That's just bad design. Eventually in the future you're left with installers that are broken everywhere but very specific versions of Windows. This solutions is definitely not perfect

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Also, on GOG it is natively DRM-Free. There will be an offline installer for it. I can carry those installers with me from device to device to device throughout the years.

This is not what "native" means. DRM-free is DRM-free

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
They've even stated that their games will work in a bunker if need be. The thing about having a GOG offline installer is that I don't just get a license.

Yes, you get just a license

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Even if a game gets delisted, it's still in my library to freely download.

Same as everywhere else

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
But even then, I still have the offline installer executable. No one can take them away from me unless they put a gun to my head and demand the files.

Even on Steam and Epic, you have the installed files, which you can turn into an installer executable yourself if you want to. No one can take them away from you unless they put a gun to your head and demand the files.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
If it sounds like I hate Steam, it's because I have to correct this misinformation so much. 😉

You didn't correct anything, you just said some other things that didn't actually relate to things I said. Or rather, you're displaying the misconceptions I intended to clear up in the first place. You have an offline installer? Congrats and all that but an installer is just packaged files. You can take installed games and reverse them into an installer. There is virtually no difference

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Why should GOG support Steam Deck? It's not a GOG product.

It's a PC!!! that ships with Linux. GOG should support Linux. My biggest criticisms of them is how much they hammer down on DRM-free and all that but then they're so inconsequential about it. Not supporting an open operating system, requiring their Galaxy launcher for multiplayer or even allowing developers to strip out the multiplayer from their games in the first place.
GrimLordGames Jul 2, 2024 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by Thornskade:
Originally posted by GrimLordGames:

That's false. Because with GOG I have an offline installer that works on pretty much any operating system with maybe a few tweaks later down the road, and yes - Linux. GOG does have Linux versions of games there too, you have to look around.

This is not what "supporting Linux" means. And given the issues I had with Hogs of War (it doesn't work on Windows 10+ and neither on Windows 98, which it was designed for), buying that on GOG can leave you with a broken product since the fixes they applied just make it not work anywhere but Windows 8 as far as I know. That's just bad design. Eventually in the future you're left with installers that are broken everywhere but very specific versions of Windows. This solutions is definitely not perfect

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Also, on GOG it is natively DRM-Free. There will be an offline installer for it. I can carry those installers with me from device to device to device throughout the years.

This is not what "native" means. DRM-free is DRM-free

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
They've even stated that their games will work in a bunker if need be. The thing about having a GOG offline installer is that I don't just get a license.

Yes, you get just a license

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Even if a game gets delisted, it's still in my library to freely download.

Same as everywhere else

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
But even then, I still have the offline installer executable. No one can take them away from me unless they put a gun to my head and demand the files.

Even on Steam and Epic, you have the installed files, which you can turn into an installer executable yourself if you want to. No one can take them away from you unless they put a gun to your head and demand the files.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
If it sounds like I hate Steam, it's because I have to correct this misinformation so much. 😉

You didn't correct anything, you just said some other things that didn't actually relate to things I said. Or rather, you're displaying the misconceptions I intended to clear up in the first place. You have an offline installer? Congrats and all that but an installer is just packaged files. You can take installed games and reverse them into an installer. There is virtually no difference

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Why should GOG support Steam Deck? It's not a GOG product.

It's a PC!!! that ships with Linux. GOG should support Linux. My biggest criticisms of them is how much they hammer down on DRM-free and all that but then they're so inconsequential about it. Not supporting an open operating system, requiring their Galaxy launcher for multiplayer or even allowing developers to strip out the multiplayer from their games in the first place.

Then what's the damn difference? Honestly? If you don't need a platform to register it on, nor the internet, then it isn't just a license. It's a full on install that I could play on Mars if I wanted to. You can't do that with Steam. Steam has to be running for a lot of games. I do use Steam, I know how it works. Way I see it, it is ownership of my files that I can pass on after my death via a hard-drive. Even GOG just confirmed in a statement that we can do that. Steam? Nope. GOG even said they'll work with legal teams to ensure your games can be passed on/inherited in the event of your death. Something Steam and EGS both said no to. So when it can go beyond me, I can install it on anything I want pretty much and I don't have to be on the internet, it goes beyond being just a platform license, like with Steam that can be taken away from you at any time. If in the case of a company that can ban you from your account and all your paid for games because you used naughty language in a voice chat. I've seen it happen.

Not here! With GOG, I don't have to have an internet connection, nor a platform and I think you can even install to a VM on a mobile device because I've tried that. DRM-Free literally means "they can't stop you from playing it" in my book. Now when the robo gaming police units from 2050 get involved, that may be different. But for now, there is no consequence of ownership when it comes to GOG. Have I made myself clear or do I need to speak in Spanish? I will warn you, it's not very good. I only know the words for shoes, computer and bathroom. 😆
Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Then what's the damn difference? Honestly? If you don't need a platform to register it on

You do, you have to have a GOG account and your game is registered to that account before you can download it

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
nor the internet, then it isn't just a license.

It is just a license. Software is always a license. You buy a license.
Software itself is nothing but machine code, it's your drive arranging its 1's and 0's and your processor executing this code. Software is very different in nature from physical products, hence they sell you a license to use it. And legally speaking this license does dictate certain things, such as private use only or how many machines you may run it on simultaneously.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
It's a full on install that I could play on Mars if I wanted to. You can't do that with Steam.

Yes, you can. Full-on installed Steam games without DRM can be played on Mars and without Steam running.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Steam has to be running for a lot of games.

We are not talking about "a lot of games". We are talking about DRM-free games.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Way I see it, it is ownership of my files that I can pass on after my death via a hard-drive.

Yup, DRM-free games can do that. This is irrespective of GOG, Steam or any other platform.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
GOG even said they'll work with legal teams to ensure your games can be passed on/inherited in the event of your death. Something Steam and EGS both said no to.

This has nothing to do with DRM. What they say is also irrlevant, it's laws that matter at the end of the day, and your personal morals. There's nothing stopping you from copying the game files to every other computer in the world right now, so what you would actually pass on after your death is the software license. Not the files.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
So when it can go beyond me, I can install it on anything I want pretty much and I don't have to be on the internet, it goes beyond being just a platform license,

No, it doesn't. Software is always sold as a license, period

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
like with Steam that can be taken away from you at any time.

DRM-free games cannot be taken away from you at any time irrespective of platform

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
If in the case of a company that can ban you from your account and all your paid for games because you used naughty language in a voice chat. I've seen it happen.

News to me, but again, this cannot happen with DRM-free games. Doesn't matter whether Steam or Epic ban you, as long as the game is installed

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Not here! With GOG, I don't have to have an internet connection, nor a platform and I think you can even install to a VM on a mobile device because I've tried that.

Yes. And the same is true with DRM-free games from Steam, Epic and anywhere else.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
DRM-Free literally means "they can't stop you from playing it" in my book.

While what you think it means is irrelevant, I have to once again remind you that the platform you get a DRM-free game from does not matter.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Have I made myself clear or do I need to speak in Spanish?

No need to make condescending remarks. The problem is that you conflate various different concepts that have nothing to do with what DRM is or isn't (i.e. getting an installer executable from the source, which is a nice bonus, but has nothing to do with DRM). In addition, for some reason you completely lost the thread with this reply and just talked about every game that has DRM versus GOG, when the point is that games can be DRM-free on any platform, including Steam; it's not necessary to put a game on GOG to do so, GOG just happens to enforce DRM-free games in its store, just not perfectly in all cases.

So if you keep missing the point like that this is just going to keep being a waste of time. As far as I'm concerned I'm advocating for games to be DRM-free everywhere, rather than asking for the game to come to GOG instead because that is very much an indication of a surface-level understanding on the subject matter. Steam and Epic don't enforce DRM, they merely allow it. Since this game is coming to Steam, they have the power to release it DRM-free here.
L.Brown Jul 2, 2024 @ 1:46pm 
Originally posted by Thornskade:
It is just a license. Software is always a license. You buy a license.
Sorry, but being so meticulous and wanting to say that you only acquire a license may be technically/legally correct, but is practically not relevant at all because, as written, you can simply do what you want with the .exe file. With Steam this is possible with some games (without additional effort), but with GOG it is possible with all of them. And that is the point.
Originally posted by L.Brown:
Originally posted by Thornskade:
It is just a license. Software is always a license. You buy a license.
Sorry, but being so meticulous and wanting to say that you only acquire a license may be technically/legally correct, but is practically not relevant at all because, as written, you can simply do what you want with the .exe file.

If it isn't relevant in your opinion then I'm not the person to bring this up to. The only reason I'm meticulous about it is because I (partially) agree with you and I'm trying to bury it by clearing up what software licenses are. If you recall, the first person to bring this up claimed without DRM you own the game, not just access to it, which is just as absolutely wrong as you can possibly be. The other person thinks games would be passed on via a hard drive instead of transferring the actual license.

So this isn't unimportant at all. Technically, I can do what I want with the .exe file for any game. Even ones with DRM. Such as, I don't know... crack them? Really, nothing prevents me from making almost any game with DRM DRM-free, barring edge cases like Denuvo or always-online games. Nothing but laws and the software license. So it's important to understand that the actual files stored on a device of yours are nearly irrelevant for what you're under law allowed to do with your software, including passing on the license.

It's a red herring as GOG doesn't do anything else for you when it comes to software ownership or the licenses they sell you. The only thing they do is not allow DRM on their store. That's it.

Originally posted by L.Brown:
With Steam this is possible with some games (without additional effort), but with GOG it is possible with all of them. And that is the point.

No, that's not the point. Somebody asked to release this here game on GOG so it may be DRM-free. But releasing it on GOG is not required to make it DRM-free. That is the point. What you're trying to achieve by bringing every other game from Steam that has DRM to the discussion is absolutely beyond me. We're talking about this game and making requests to this developer. And if they were to release on GOG, they'd also have no reason to not make it DRM-free on Steam other than to screw over their Steam customers
GrimLordGames Jul 3, 2024 @ 1:48am 
Okay, now you're whining. Look, GOG doesn't even have 1% of the market share. No one is screwing over Steam customers by putting the game on GOG, because it will always make a larger overall revenue on Steam. GOG is just an alternative to that, it has no competition in the marketplace, nor does it seek to compete. It's only about DRM-Free. All of your belly aching and complaining here sounds ridiculous and isn't even worth me continuing. I have no issues with Steam or GOG, but the more platforms, the better - and I've talked to so many devs who feel the same way. Gaming is for everyone. Not just Steam or EGS, but GOG, itch.io, Zoom-Platform, consoles and more. Everyone deserves a seat at the table when it comes to gaming, no one gets left out of their platform.
Last edited by GrimLordGames; Jul 3, 2024 @ 1:49am
You literally don't understand what I'm saying. None of this even relates to my points. This is ridiculous.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
Okay, now you're whining.

Nobody is whining.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
No one is screwing over Steam customers by putting the game on GOG, because it will always make a larger overall revenue on Steam.

I didn't say anything remotely like that.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
All of your belly aching and complaining here sounds ridiculous

I'm not complaining.

Originally posted by GrimLordGames:
I have no issues with Steam or GOG, but the more platforms, the better - and I've talked to so many devs who feel the same way. Gaming is for everyone. Not just Steam or EGS, but GOG, itch.io, Zoom-Platform, consoles and more. Everyone deserves a seat at the table when it comes to gaming, no one gets left out of their platform.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything that has been discussed here.

Maybe acquire some reading comprehension. That usually helps. The lack thereof explains why the points you're making have been such an incoherent mess that don't relate to the discussion at all. Seriously, do you have any idea at all what this was originally about? Because from your response it sounds like you believe I'm trying to argue that the game shouldn't release on GOG which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
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